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You too are trying to justify NATO expansion by Russian reaction to it.
by gdy 4y ago
You too are trying to justify NATO expansion by Russian reaction to it.
- The_Colonel 4y agoNot necessarily. Most of the new members have been invaded by Russia in the past 100 years.
- gdy 4y agoAnd Russia has been invaded by most of the European countries in the same time period. Starting from the Intervention and Poland's invasion to the invasion by Germany and its allies.
- The_Colonel 4y agoYou're deflecting. The point is that CEE countries had a valid reason to fear Russian imperialism and acted accordingly.
- gdy 4y agoYou're deflecting. I remind you that I asked 'Why?' in response to your bold statement "Not letting e.g. Baltics into NATO/EU would almost certainly mean they have been already absorbed back into Russia. The rest of CEE would be vassalized."
- The_Colonel 4y agoAnd I responded to you that Russia has both long and recent history of imperialism in this region.
- gdy 4y agoJust like almost anyone else which makes it a deflection and not an answer.
- The_Colonel 4y agoNo, the countries in question have been recently threatened only by Russia. The only other recent aggressor was by that point completely pacified Germany.
- gdy 4y agoAgain, you are justifying an action by the reaction to it.
- The_Colonel 4y agoNo, these aggressions happened in the recent history (< 100 years) before NATO accessions. Once in NATO, these countries were off limits (= main lure of the membership).
- gdy 4y agoYou are going in circles: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32829679 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32829679
- The_Colonel 4y agoYou're going in circles. We're not discussing why Russia started CSTO, but why CEE nations felt the need to enter NATO. The fact that Russia was also invaded in its history bears no relevancy in this matter.
- gdy 4y agoAnd here we go again. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32835337 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32835337
- fastaguy88 4y agoI’m puzzled by this statement. Russia has been invaded by Germany several times. Has it been invaded by France, Spain, Poland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium, the Czech Republic, or The UK in the past 100 years? As a parochial American, what have I missed?
- gdy 4y agoPoland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Soviet_War Czechoslovaks, United Kingdom, France, Greece, Estonia, Serbia, Italy, Romania: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Rus... Germany, Romania, Hungary, Italy, Slovakia, Croatia, Finland: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Front_(World_War_II)
- The_Colonel 4y agoThe intervention was a messy affair, but can hardly be called an invasion. Czechoslovak legion got to Russia to fight on its side and when Bolsheviks took over, mostly just tried to return home. The goals of other countries interventions in this chaos were diverse, but again, mostly not directed against Russia, some e.g. tried to prevent Germany from taking more Russian territory.
- gdy 4y ago"but can hardly be called an invasion" It was an invasion in support of one of the sides in Russian civil war. Russia made peace with Germany 1917 [0], the intervention started in 1918. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_between_Russia_and_the_Central_Powers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armistice_between_Russia_and_t...