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If they didn’t want to be tracked they could just turn off their ADS-B transponders
by sammy2255 4y ago
If they didn’t want to be tracked they could just turn off their ADS-B transponders
- zeusk 4y agoThey still want the local traffic to see them; this is like twitter exposing messages on your LAN to the Internet.
- ziddoap 4y agoIs it not data already publicly posted elsewhere already on the internet? This isn't specifically a Twitter thing.
- zeusk 4y agoSure my bad; this is like someone on your LAN publishing your network traffic on the internet and twitter making it searchable and easier to catalogue.
- ziddoap 4y agoYou've yet to mention or acknowledge any of the other easily searchable catalogues of this data (see the several links and mentions in other comments) as being a problem. Why just Twitter? If you have a problem with this data being public, that's not a Twitter issue, that's a policy issue which will affect several companies (and if that's what you think, that's fine). If you think this data should be public, just not on Twitter, what sense does that make? There aren't many analogies that have any use beyond sounding pithy. They fall over at the slightest bit of scrutiny. I don't think this LAN one is much of an exception. Data that is public by default shares little relation to traffic on my LAN. Just say what you mean. Don't want the data to be public? Sure, I think that'd be interesting to talk about. Just don't like Twitter? Also cool, though not as interesting.
- zeusk 4y agoHey man, I'm not the author; You can take your gripes up with FAA and the navy. I'm just knowledgeable about what's happening and why.
- tester756 4y ago>They still want the local traffic to see them Why?
- jaywalk 4y agoSo that they don't crash into them.
- tester756 4y agoCannot military aircraft see others and avoid them themselves instead of letting other know about them? And military would have encrypted insider communication between eachother It may be naive question cuz I never operated such a thing
- bombcar 4y agoTransponders make radar much easier. No need for active radar
- 0xFEE1DEAD 4y agono need for active radar. just have your guys at base watch your flight path and route you safely. this way you can deactivate your transponder and still be not of danger to anyone around you. I’d imagine this is how they to it
- sgjohnson 4y ago>just have your guys at base watch your flight path and route you safely Then you have to rely on a human element, which is a horrible idea in a rapidly changing environment. Imagine someone hits the base and takes out its comms. You no longer have any idea where anyone is.
- bombcar 4y agoEvery airport with radar has active radar, so they're going to "see" you anyway even if the people hoovering up ADS-B info don't. And yes, there are people who have cameras pointed at the sky all over the country, and with software that says "I see a plane, and I don't see no ADS-B". Combine https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/raspberry-pi-airplane-tracker https://www.tomshardware.com/how-to/raspberry-pi-airplane-tr... with https://medium.com/swlh/automated-meteor-aircraft-satellite-detection-for-sky-camera-in-python-8a3dcc476a96 https://medium.com/swlh/automated-meteor-aircraft-satellite-... and you're golden.
- jollyllama 4y agoThen they'd have to shut down FlightRadar. And FlightAware...
- GekkePrutser 4y agoThose do filter out military flights and anybody else who asks (e.g. millionaires with private jets). ADSBExchange.com does not, I always use that as it's completely free and fully powered by volunteers. They don't do any filtering or add artificial delays. Recently they've even added MLAT reception of pre-ADSB flights (needs quite a bit of coverage in the area though!)
- someweirdperson 4y ago> Those do filter out military flights and anybody else who asks (e.g. millionaires with private jets). Asked directly they try to refuse as long as they can. However, they seem to use the block list maintained by the FFA. Sign ip now through a new convenient online form [0]. The seem to accept non-N registered, too. ADSBexchange continues to refuse, but there's still some hope. FAA adding convenience to their process shows the pressure is rising. [0] https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd/request/ https://www.faa.gov/pilots/ladd/request/
- scottiebarnes 4y agoYou mean someone on your LAN exposing messages to the twitter/internet?
- bombcar 4y agoA better bad tech analogy would be slurping up SSIDs like Google does for location data.
- GekkePrutser 4y agoAnyone in the area can receive it also with a $10 stick from aliexpress and a phone or a computer :) Hiding this is only hiding the problem, not improving actual security.
- avianlyric 4y agoDo you? If you're in a war zone, then "local traffic" consists on enemy jets, and inbound missiles. If your military aircraft isn't in war zone, then how much do you really care about other people in the world picking up your ADS-B transmissions? After all, they can just turn the transponder off, and take on all the responsibility of dodging other aircraft.
- zeusk 4y agoThis isn't just about active war; even the article focuses on support missions in conflict zones. VIP transport is also sensitive movement. They already have some resolution for this https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy
- exhilaration 4y agoThe article mentions that. [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that."
- ziddoap 4y agoThis may win the award of most passive-aggressive citation I've seen on HN this week, which is impressive. Exemplar case of following the letter, rather than the spirit, of the rule.
- exhilaration 4y agoThank you! I tried! :)
- iSnow 4y agoAnd they do, at least over here in Europe right now.