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I think this is just the start for some bad things are patreon... This video of execs at Patreon apparently turning a blind eye to employees calling out patreo

I think this is just the start for some bad things are patreon... This video of execs at Patreon apparently turning a blind eye to employees calling out patreon users that were selling images of underage children: https://twitter.com/TizzyEnt/status/1315626557688483841?s=20&t=EhjxhVWDd7zl4KVg32bssQ https://twitter.com/TizzyEnt/status/1315626557688483841?s=20... They also laid off their ENTIRE security team: https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/09/patreon-security-layoffs/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/09/patreon-security-layoffs/

verall 4y ago
I don't think that's the right twitter link
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adamhowell 4y ago
I'm guessing this is the Twitter link you meant: https://twitter.com/TizzyEnt/status/1569439160561442817 https://twitter.com/TizzyEnt/status/1569439160561442817
tptacek 4y ago
It's not actually that unusual to absorb security into engineering; if engineering is already doing most of software security, and engineering/ops is already handling IT security, then the rest of security might in fact be duplicative of stuff third parties can do just as well. I have no inside knowledge as to whether this was the case at Patreon; no opinions about Patreon whatsoever. But re-orging security into and out of engineering is not unprecedented.
- bink 4y ago
  You're right that having security report to engineering is not unusual. It's also not a great idea due to conflicts of interest, but not unusual.
phpisthebest 4y ago
Patreon decline had 3 Phases 1. Censorship which caused a market reaction for more competition, and the first mass exit of the platform 2. Changes in the Fee Structure and billing policies, this caused the 2nd mass exit from the platform 3. Platforms getting better at internal monetization (i.e YT SuperChat and memberships) There has been little advancement of of the patreon platform, and with more and more competition from other direct compeitors (subscribestar, etc) and different monetization avenues (TeeSpring,etc) there is little reason for creators to use patreon outside of the network effect, and since they are not growing that effect is smaller every day

verall 4y ago

I don't think that's the right twitter link

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adamhowell 4y ago

I'm guessing this is the Twitter link you meant: https://twitter.com/TizzyEnt/status/1569439160561442817 https://twitter.com/TizzyEnt/status/1569439160561442817

tptacek 4y ago

It's not actually that unusual to absorb security into engineering; if engineering is already doing most of software security, and engineering/ops is already handling IT security, then the rest of security might in fact be duplicative of stuff third parties can do just as well. I have no inside knowledge as to whether this was the case at Patreon; no opinions about Patreon whatsoever. But re-orging security into and out of engineering is not unprecedented.

bink 4y ago
You're right that having security report to engineering is not unusual. It's also not a great idea due to conflicts of interest, but not unusual.

phpisthebest 4y ago

Patreon decline had 3 Phases 1. Censorship which caused a market reaction for more competition, and the first mass exit of the platform 2. Changes in the Fee Structure and billing policies, this caused the 2nd mass exit from the platform 3. Platforms getting better at internal monetization (i.e YT SuperChat and memberships) There has been little advancement of of the patreon platform, and with more and more competition from other direct compeitors (subscribestar, etc) and different monetization avenues (TeeSpring,etc) there is little reason for creators to use patreon outside of the network effect, and since they are not growing that effect is smaller every day