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Some of this is because of the WARN Act in California [0], which requires 60-day notice before any mass layoff. Employers can also fulfill the requirements of t
by fckgw 4y ago
Some of this is because of the WARN Act in California [0], which requires 60-day notice before any mass layoff. Employers can also fulfill the requirements of this mandate by letting employees go now but having their actual termination date 60+ days in advance. I've been survived a few layoffs that work this way.
Good for Patreon to go beyond the 60-day mandated period though
[0] https://edd.ca.gov/en/Jobs_and_Training/Layoff_Services_WARN https://edd.ca.gov/en/Jobs_and_Training/Layoff_Services_WARN
- onlyrealcuzzo 4y ago> I've been survived a few layoffs that work this way. How many times have you been laid off?!
- jrockway 4y agoThere are probably a large number of HN readers that have weathered the dotcom bust, the 2008 financial crisis, and the 2022 financial crisis. If you were born 1980-ish and you haven't been laid off 3 times, congrats!
- michaelcampbell 4y agoI was born mid 1960's-ish and have lucked out; only laid off once. But I well remember all of those crises.
- gabereiser 4y agoThis, I've been laid off about 6 times, only once because of my own accord (and I freely admit my fault there). I've left a company 2x that count. I started my career in 1999. What a year to start...
- dahfizz 4y agoIn 23 years you have worked at 18 companies? Has this hurt you during interviews?
- gabereiser 4y agoVery much so. I've had to explain that some of them were just contracts, some of them cease to exist anymore, and some went through layoffs. The reality is it's more like 13 companies but yeah.
- Maursault 4y agoDon't sweat it. Most human resource departments take their methods from Kafka's The Trial. The more you look the better you get at it, the easier the brutal process of some employers' hiring processes become. Fire and forget. The more applications you complete, the better your chances of getting hired, and once hired, the longer you work, the further disappointment retreats in your rearview.
- gabereiser 4y agoYup! Exactly. It’s a numbers game. I’ll never work at a FAANG probably because of it but that’s ok. I’ve carved out a pretty cool career AND I do side projects and games so it’s fine.
- Tsukiortu 4y agoI started in 2020 :) officially. I technically did side things throughout HS, but officially looked for jobs in 2020. Was pretty miserable.
- moneywoes 4y agoSame
- madamelic 4y agoOr just work in startups. It's pretty easy to get laid off a lot if you work in startups. You join and know there is a ticking clock in the background. If you don't, you probably should. Every startup thinks they are the 1 out of 10 (because why wouldn't they, you have to.)
- nraynaud 4y agoI agree, I have never actually been fired from a collapsing company, but as an intern I have been in the meeting room when a company was folded, and I have also seen a few companies collapse after I left. I'm a realy early guy, I tend to leave when the timesheet comes, so there is probably some runway left when I leave.
- JohnFen 4y ago> If you were born 1980-ish and you haven't been laid off 3 times, congrats! This depends on where you worked. Most of the developers I know were around for the dotcom bust, but only 2 have experienced a layoff. But none were working for dotcom companies.
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- sdenton4 4y agoAh, the safety of grad school...
- smm11 4y agoYeah, 5 or 6 times. Happy to be, right now, a one-person IT department at a "small" company. My way is the way.
- purpleblue 4y agoI was born in the 60s and haven't been laid off yet, including during the dotcom bust, all while working for 12+ companies in my career. The bust was the worst, though, our company went through 7+ layoffs and we were decimated, and no one did any real work after a while. Fingers crossed that I can keep this trend until retirement!
- thelittleone 4y agoBeing laid off twice was a rewarding experience both financially and for my career. It forced me to step out of my comfort zone. Now, being outside my comfort zone is my comfort zone. In the first layoff I knew the company was planning a round in the next 18 months and I'd been there 6 years. I waited around for the payout. Layoff law in Australia is more favorable to the employee, the payout was 10 months. I took a week off before starting the next job on a substantial salary increase. The most important is not to take it personally as a failure. That can mess with self confidence and interview performance and general well being. At my HR interview they had the team there and some "transition coach" they seemed worried about us. I was actually thrilled as I planned to leave anyway.
- bogomipz 4y ago>"There are probably a large number of HN readers that have weathered the dotcom bust, the 2008 financial crisis, and the 2022 financial crisis." The "2022 financial crisis"? That's not even a thing. Slowing economic growth and even a recession, should we enter one later this year does not constitute a "financial crisis."
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 4y agoBy most historical measures of recession, we're already in one. This redefining of what constitutes a recession is a recent phenomena, and has political roots, not financial ones.
- bogomipz 4y ago>"This redefining of what constitutes a recession is a recent phenomena, and has political roots, not financial ones." There has been no "redefining" nor is it a recent phenomenon nor does it have political roots. You are wrong on all accounts. It doesn't have political roots. The National Bureau of Economic Research(NBER) is a private, non-profit, non-partisan research organization with an aim is to promote a greater understanding of how the economy works. The nonpartisan panel, which was established in 1978 by former Ronald Reagan adviser and NBER president Martin Feldstein, has gone out of its way to keep politics out of the process. The committee meets in secret and doesn’t announce its gatherings in advance or even in retrospect, unless there’s a press release declaring a formal decision. And it typically takes the panel about a year to decide on a recession call, though some decision have been made in a few months while others have taken almost twice as long. That’s almost always well after a recession has been widely recognized by Wall Street. The committee has never reversed a call. Rather than two negative GDP readings, the NBER is looking for a substantial decline in activity over a sustained period of time. The committee sets dates of the peaks of economic activity and troughs based on six monthly data series, including nonfarm payrolls, personal consumption spending and industrial production.
- bagels 4y agoIt's going to get worse. Hard to have lived through it when it's not over yet though.
- bagels 4y agoBeen through all of them. Saw the writing on the wall for each of those and left before I was the one laid off.
- mleo 4y agoDuring the dot com downturn the consulting company I was at went through 2 or 3 rounds of layoffs. Then in the 2008 fallout, there was another round. If one is lucky enough to survive them, they could be witness to many but not be a recipient of any.
- fckgw 4y agoNone, that's how I survived them ;) I worked in an industry that's highly cyclical and had major consolidation over the last decade (HDD/SSD storage). We bought several companies and they would do layoffs roughly every 18 months or so.
- Test0129 4y agoI joke with my friends in other industries about how often I have been laid off. For me, it's been uh...5 times? Maybe 6. I am probably forgetting them. None of them were very small but like usual characteristically overextended. One company I survived 4 full rounds of layoffs before getting axed. Another one I survived 3. It's the nature of playing around in the high stakes startup world. As I've gotten older I've found more stable companies. But it was quite funny coming home once every few years to tell my girlfriend I was laid off again and then picking up another job a week later.
- snapetom 4y agoUnless you're in government/health. You're going to lucky not to be laid off multiple times in your career and if you're not laid off at all in your career, consider yourself extremely lucky.
- balderdash 4y agoI’m not quite sure that’s true
- phpisthebest 4y agoWARN Act is federal law not CA Law. I highlight this because there is a belief that only CA has employment protections laws, and while CA does have more of these; other parts of the US also have employment protection laws often times not really that much different than CA
- quux 4y agoI think WARN is 60 days at the federal level and some states like CA and NY extend it to 90 days.
- phpisthebest 4y agoBoth CA and Federal is 60 days, the main difference is CA requires employers with over 75 employee's federal is 100, and CA includes Part Time employees in the count Federal is Full Time workers only