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> It wasn't a revolution - it was a coup funded and organized by the EU and USA. I don’t doubt that there was western involvement, just as there was certainly

> It wasn't a revolution - it was a coup funded and organized by the EU and USA. I don’t doubt that there was western involvement, just as there was certainly Russian involvement supporting prior administrations. While it can be difficult to discern the true desires of Ukrainians given outside involvement, its very easy to say that the current government in Ukraine is much more democratic than plenty of US Allies in other parts of the world, eg the Middle East. > Also, your media probably do not say that Ukrainian politicians repeatedly announced plans to exterminate Russian population of Ukraine. Physically kill all the Russians just as Hitler (he's considered a hero in Ukraine) wanted. You'd probably never find this in English or any other language spoken on the West, but there is plenty of evidence in Russian/Ukrainian even though a lot of it being scrubbed in the last 200 days. Still you can find a lot of those on YouTube for example, if you can understand Russian/Ukrainian. If this is so easy to find, why not provide actual sources? Edit: the irony here is the extremely close parallels between this war and hitter’s annexation of the sudentenland. > How do you know this? Did Putin said this personally to you? Announced this in the media? I can tell from his actions. Russia has been invading its neighbors the entire time he’s been in power. Did I go a bit overboard when I said “complete fealty”? Sure. But it’s quite obvious that Putin won’t accept those states as anything less than Russian client states within its sphere of influence. > Has US ever suffered sanctions for that? I don't remember any. US does bad things so other countries should do bad things too.

anticodon 4y ago
> its very easy to say that the current government in Ukraine is much more democratic than plenty of US Allies in other parts of the world, eg the Middle East. What makes you think so? What was/is democratic about Ukraine? How Zelensky, for example, crushed all the opposition parties and media, and even arrested some of his opponents after he came to power? Do you know about that? BTW, here's the video of him before he became president: https://youtu.be/cAfXNbnXwxg https://youtu.be/cAfXNbnXwxg Hilarious, if you understand Russian. It's about so-called Ukrainian democracy. I'm pretty sure it won't exist for long on YouTube, and it won't be ever translated to English. > If this is so easy to find, why not provide actual sources? Would you be able to understand without translation? Who would translate it to you? Can you understand this, for example: https://youtu.be/ofEF5l72sjQ https://youtu.be/ofEF5l72sjQ > Edit: the irony here is the extremely close parallels between this war and hitter’s annexation of the sudentenland. There are no parallels. Except that Ukraine was pumped with nazi propaganda to the top. They named streets and stadiums after Nazi collaborators that helped Germany exterminate tens of thousands of Jews in Ukraine during WWII. If you look at almost any photo/video of Ukainian army personnel, they openly wear Nazi uniform, Nazi tattoos, SS insignia. They even use Nazi salute. It was especially easy to find before 24.02, they've become more careful since then, but still they fail many times to blur swastika or Hitler tattoo when filming their new propaganda videos. There're tons of videos like this: https://youtu.be/_eDjtPwC2wY https://youtu.be/_eDjtPwC2wY > US does bad things so other countries should do bad things too. More like, US does bad things and always gets away with it.
- wbsss4412 4y ago
  > How Zelensky, for example, crushed all the opposition parties and media, and even arrested some of his opponents after he came to power? Do you know about that? This has been covered in Western press: https://m.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-opposition-tv-stations/a-56438505 https://m.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-opposition-... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/former-ukraine-president-defies-arrest-threat-showdown-with-successor-2022-01-16/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/former-ukraine-presiden... However, I haven’t seen any thing that says _all_ opposition has been banned, do you have proof of this? > Would you be able to understand without translation? Who would translate it to you? I’d rather you post something than just make blanket statements with no basis. Unfortunately I can’t understand Russian/Ukrainian, but then again anything translated into English would be from western sources anyways. > I'm pretty sure it won't exist for long on YouTube, and it won't be ever translated to English Everything you posted has been up for years.
  - anticodon 4y ago
    The big problem is that you, western people, especially people from USA, see the whole situation through the tiny keyhole where your media project whatever bias they want. You have no means of access to objective or balanced information. You can't read anything about Russia or Ukraine in the original uncensored form. You can't watch any video from Ukraine or Russia without it being carefully selected by somebody and then translated for you. E.g. you wouldn't be able to ponder when you see videos of Ukrainian soldiers being killed during combat, why seconds before dying they always speak in Russian, how that resonates with Joseph Brodsky poem last lines: https://russianuniverse.org/2017/02/27/joseph-brodsky-on-ukrainian-independence/ https://russianuniverse.org/2017/02/27/joseph-brodsky-on-ukr... And usually it's you, Western audience that makes blanket statements with no basis, uttering it so arrogantly as you know it all, where you actually know nothing.
    - wbsss4412 4y ago
      > You have no means of access to objective or balanced information. You can't read anything about Russia or Ukraine in the original uncensored form. Does anyone? I never was under any belief that I did. Excuse my understanding, but is it your assertion that there is unfettered access to uncensored information within Russia??

anticodon 4y ago

> its very easy to say that the current government in Ukraine is much more democratic than plenty of US Allies in other parts of the world, eg the Middle East. What makes you think so? What was/is democratic about Ukraine? How Zelensky, for example, crushed all the opposition parties and media, and even arrested some of his opponents after he came to power? Do you know about that? BTW, here's the video of him before he became president: https://youtu.be/cAfXNbnXwxg https://youtu.be/cAfXNbnXwxg Hilarious, if you understand Russian. It's about so-called Ukrainian democracy. I'm pretty sure it won't exist for long on YouTube, and it won't be ever translated to English. > If this is so easy to find, why not provide actual sources? Would you be able to understand without translation? Who would translate it to you? Can you understand this, for example: https://youtu.be/ofEF5l72sjQ https://youtu.be/ofEF5l72sjQ > Edit: the irony here is the extremely close parallels between this war and hitter’s annexation of the sudentenland. There are no parallels. Except that Ukraine was pumped with nazi propaganda to the top. They named streets and stadiums after Nazi collaborators that helped Germany exterminate tens of thousands of Jews in Ukraine during WWII. If you look at almost any photo/video of Ukainian army personnel, they openly wear Nazi uniform, Nazi tattoos, SS insignia. They even use Nazi salute. It was especially easy to find before 24.02, they've become more careful since then, but still they fail many times to blur swastika or Hitler tattoo when filming their new propaganda videos. There're tons of videos like this: https://youtu.be/_eDjtPwC2wY https://youtu.be/_eDjtPwC2wY > US does bad things so other countries should do bad things too. More like, US does bad things and always gets away with it.

wbsss4412 4y ago
> How Zelensky, for example, crushed all the opposition parties and media, and even arrested some of his opponents after he came to power? Do you know about that? This has been covered in Western press: https://m.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-opposition-tv-stations/a-56438505 https://m.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-opposition-... https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/former-ukraine-president-defies-arrest-threat-showdown-with-successor-2022-01-16/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/former-ukraine-presiden... However, I haven’t seen any thing that says _all_ opposition has been banned, do you have proof of this? > Would you be able to understand without translation? Who would translate it to you? I’d rather you post something than just make blanket statements with no basis. Unfortunately I can’t understand Russian/Ukrainian, but then again anything translated into English would be from western sources anyways. > I'm pretty sure it won't exist for long on YouTube, and it won't be ever translated to English Everything you posted has been up for years.
- anticodon 4y ago
  The big problem is that you, western people, especially people from USA, see the whole situation through the tiny keyhole where your media project whatever bias they want. You have no means of access to objective or balanced information. You can't read anything about Russia or Ukraine in the original uncensored form. You can't watch any video from Ukraine or Russia without it being carefully selected by somebody and then translated for you. E.g. you wouldn't be able to ponder when you see videos of Ukrainian soldiers being killed during combat, why seconds before dying they always speak in Russian, how that resonates with Joseph Brodsky poem last lines: https://russianuniverse.org/2017/02/27/joseph-brodsky-on-ukrainian-independence/ https://russianuniverse.org/2017/02/27/joseph-brodsky-on-ukr... And usually it's you, Western audience that makes blanket statements with no basis, uttering it so arrogantly as you know it all, where you actually know nothing.
  - wbsss4412 4y ago
    > You have no means of access to objective or balanced information. You can't read anything about Russia or Ukraine in the original uncensored form. Does anyone? I never was under any belief that I did. Excuse my understanding, but is it your assertion that there is unfettered access to uncensored information within Russia??