>>> There is a simple first step towards redemption and that is get out of Ukraine right now. Better yesterday. >> Simple for you, because you're not the one l

>>> There is a simple first step towards redemption and that is get out of Ukraine right now. Better yesterday. >> Simple for you, because you're not the one losing face For example, here's another "simple first step" for Europe "towards redemption" (in the eyes of the Russians): withdraw all military and financial support for Ukraine, and refuse to allow transit for weapons sent to it. How does that one make you feel? Do you think Europe will take it? It's probably only a little less likely than Russia taking your option. > It works both ways you know. Europe cannot afford to lose face either. Imagine EU can be blackmailed by Russia! Wouldn't stand a chance against the US or China. Exactly my point. > The EU clearly believes they can win this fight so why should it withdraw support to Ukraine? I never said they should. I said that a proposal that Russia unilaterally withdraw is not actually an "easy" one because it would feel to the Russian leadership like the EU withdrawing would feel to your typical Westerner.