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This is ridiculous hyperventilation. Children will be fine.

by ttpphd 4y ago

zionic 4y ago
We'll see. I don't think it's controversial to suggest psychologists will be studying this cohort for the rest of their lives.
OrangeMonkey 4y ago
Sorry, but that statement is anti-science. I trust-the-science and the current child development experts believe otherwise. From the national library of medicine study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510529/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510529/
- jobs_throwaway 4y ago
  >The COVID-19 pandemic has produced high morbidity and mortality rates within the global population,39 as well as risk factors for healthy growth and development among children. The increase in parental stress, the suspension of classroom activities, social isolation measures, nutritional risks, children’s exposure to toxic stress, especially in previously unstructured homes, and a lack of physical activities are some of the factors found in the literature. Yup, this seems pretty obvious anecdotally so its good to see it being backed up in the literature. Was it worth it to save the lives of 100's of 1000's to millions of elderly people? Probably. Did it negatively impact the younger generation, who had no say at all in the decision? Absolutely.
  - OrangeMonkey 4y ago
    I think the 'was it worth it' has to be answered by the our community over the next 10-20 years. We made a choice, right or wrong, to sacrifice some of our children to save our elders. Culturally, this is not something we do. I wonder how this will be interpreted as more of these studies come to light and the children start to age and we can see the damage.
    - scarface74 4y ago
      We didn’t “sacrifice our children”. At worse they may have a harder time catching up at the price of having older relatives around longer - who if nothing else often provides free health care so parents can go to work.
      - spookthesunset 4y ago
        This is such a privileged take. We stole proms, graduations, first dates, first days of school, friendships, relationships, social interaction, you name it… we stole it from our kids. Maybe rich tech workers had it easier or are living in denial but the fact is what we did to the young is completely disgusting and it is shameful how quick some people are to dismiss it. What we did to kids was state sponsored child abuse. We absolutely fucked over their one and only childhood for a disease whose median age of death is higher than the average life expectancy for a normal person. The number of young ones who got seriously ill from Covid is a drop in the bucket. Complete bollocks.
        ttpphd 4y ago
        spookthesunset 4y ago
        It’s amazing how this crap turned people into cruel monsters.
        scarface74 4y ago
        And they are probably the same “pro life” “all lives matter” crowd.
        scarface74 4y ago
        So it’s a “privileged take” that it’s mostly poorer families who wouldn’t be able to afford child care and would depend on childcare from their now dead older relatives? Yes it’s more concerning that poor little Timmy couldn’t have his first kiss than granny actually ending up dead. If you haven’t prepared your children to handle a little inconvenience like not going to a prom, he’s certainly not going to be prepared for real life.
  - spookthesunset 4y ago
    How are you so sure that the crap we pulled in children saved any lives at all?
- Aperocky 4y ago
  That study you linked has nothing to do with the vaccine, in fact the vaccine helped reopen the society and ending pandemic related restrictions. This conversation is derailed, the original topic was vaccine.
- ttpphd 4y ago
  Nothing in that study says what to expect prognostically. Sorry, but there's little reason to think that staying at home rather than school has forever harmed children. The pandemic was hard on everyone. Blaming school closures just reveals your personal vendetta.
jobs_throwaway 4y ago
Is it really ridiculous to consider the impact that massive societal changes we made might negatively impact our young? Zoom school, or even being in school masked and socially distant seems objectively worse for young children than being in-person and able to watch facial expressions and read lips. Why is it hyperventilation to consider the aggregate impact this will have on the generation of children that effectively lost 1-2 years of in-person social development time?
- junon 4y ago
  COVID did that, not vaccines.
  - jobs_throwaway 4y ago
    COVID made the decision to stop in-person schooling?
    - ttpphd 4y ago
      It was either that or watch millions and millions of people die needlessly
      - spookthesunset 4y ago
        You can’t prove that what we did to children saved millions and millions of lives. Frame your argument in terms of quality adjusted life years and the whole thing falls apart. The median age of somebody dying of Covid was higher than the average human lifespan. What kind of sick demented society steals two or more years of little kids childhood for that?
        ttpphd 4y ago
        Oh can you prove that keeping schools open would NOT have resulted in even more mass death than we have already experienced? What about the millions of children who lost parents?
spookthesunset 4y ago
Our preschool is composed of 3 year old kids who never played with anybody outside their family. Many haven’t seen a single strangers face for years. Many have serious behavioral issues and speech issues. Saying “kids are gonna be okay” is such a line of bull. Even if all that crap we subjected them to worked, that still doesn’t make what we did to them okay. We stole significant chunks of their one and only childhood away from them for a disease that they aren’t even close to being at risk from. We absolutely fucked our kids and it is perhaps one of the saddest most shameful outcomes of societies myopic fixation on Covid.
- ttpphd 4y ago

This is ridiculous hyperventilation. Children will be fine.

by ttpphd 4y ago

This is ridiculous hyperventilation. Children will be fine.

We'll see. I don't think it's controversial to suggest psychologists will be studying this cohort for the rest of their lives.

OrangeMonkey 4y ago

Sorry, but that statement is anti-science. I trust-the-science and the current child development experts believe otherwise. From the national library of medicine study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510529/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7510529/

jobs_throwaway 4y ago
>The COVID-19 pandemic has produced high morbidity and mortality rates within the global population,39 as well as risk factors for healthy growth and development among children. The increase in parental stress, the suspension of classroom activities, social isolation measures, nutritional risks, children’s exposure to toxic stress, especially in previously unstructured homes, and a lack of physical activities are some of the factors found in the literature. Yup, this seems pretty obvious anecdotally so its good to see it being backed up in the literature. Was it worth it to save the lives of 100's of 1000's to millions of elderly people? Probably. Did it negatively impact the younger generation, who had no say at all in the decision? Absolutely.
- OrangeMonkey 4y ago
  I think the 'was it worth it' has to be answered by the our community over the next 10-20 years. We made a choice, right or wrong, to sacrifice some of our children to save our elders. Culturally, this is not something we do. I wonder how this will be interpreted as more of these studies come to light and the children start to age and we can see the damage.
  - scarface74 4y ago
    We didn’t “sacrifice our children”. At worse they may have a harder time catching up at the price of having older relatives around longer - who if nothing else often provides free health care so parents can go to work.
    - spookthesunset 4y ago
      This is such a privileged take. We stole proms, graduations, first dates, first days of school, friendships, relationships, social interaction, you name it… we stole it from our kids. Maybe rich tech workers had it easier or are living in denial but the fact is what we did to the young is completely disgusting and it is shameful how quick some people are to dismiss it. What we did to kids was state sponsored child abuse. We absolutely fucked over their one and only childhood for a disease whose median age of death is higher than the average life expectancy for a normal person. The number of young ones who got seriously ill from Covid is a drop in the bucket. Complete bollocks.
      - ttpphd 4y ago
        spookthesunset 4y ago
        It’s amazing how this crap turned people into cruel monsters.
        scarface74 4y ago
        And they are probably the same “pro life” “all lives matter” crowd.
      - scarface74 4y ago
        So it’s a “privileged take” that it’s mostly poorer families who wouldn’t be able to afford child care and would depend on childcare from their now dead older relatives? Yes it’s more concerning that poor little Timmy couldn’t have his first kiss than granny actually ending up dead. If you haven’t prepared your children to handle a little inconvenience like not going to a prom, he’s certainly not going to be prepared for real life.
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  How are you so sure that the crap we pulled in children saved any lives at all?
Aperocky 4y ago
That study you linked has nothing to do with the vaccine, in fact the vaccine helped reopen the society and ending pandemic related restrictions. This conversation is derailed, the original topic was vaccine.
ttpphd 4y ago
Nothing in that study says what to expect prognostically. Sorry, but there's little reason to think that staying at home rather than school has forever harmed children. The pandemic was hard on everyone. Blaming school closures just reveals your personal vendetta.

jobs_throwaway 4y ago

Is it really ridiculous to consider the impact that massive societal changes we made might negatively impact our young? Zoom school, or even being in school masked and socially distant seems objectively worse for young children than being in-person and able to watch facial expressions and read lips. Why is it hyperventilation to consider the aggregate impact this will have on the generation of children that effectively lost 1-2 years of in-person social development time?

junon 4y ago
COVID did that, not vaccines.
- jobs_throwaway 4y ago
  COVID made the decision to stop in-person schooling?
  - ttpphd 4y ago
    It was either that or watch millions and millions of people die needlessly
    - spookthesunset 4y ago
      You can’t prove that what we did to children saved millions and millions of lives. Frame your argument in terms of quality adjusted life years and the whole thing falls apart. The median age of somebody dying of Covid was higher than the average human lifespan. What kind of sick demented society steals two or more years of little kids childhood for that?
      - ttpphd 4y ago
        Oh can you prove that keeping schools open would NOT have resulted in even more mass death than we have already experienced? What about the millions of children who lost parents?

spookthesunset 4y ago

Our preschool is composed of 3 year old kids who never played with anybody outside their family. Many haven’t seen a single strangers face for years. Many have serious behavioral issues and speech issues. Saying “kids are gonna be okay” is such a line of bull. Even if all that crap we subjected them to worked, that still doesn’t make what we did to them okay. We stole significant chunks of their one and only childhood away from them for a disease that they aren’t even close to being at risk from. We absolutely fucked our kids and it is perhaps one of the saddest most shameful outcomes of societies myopic fixation on Covid.

ttpphd 4y ago