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> If the US can invade the middle east and not be called an authoritarian regime... First, I wouldn't call this authoritarian[1] but imperialistic[2]. But sem

> If the US can invade the middle east and not be called an authoritarian regime... First, I wouldn't call this authoritarian[1] but imperialistic[2]. But semantics aside, I don't really get that line of argument. Do you think the US invading parts of the middle east was justified? If you do not, how can this comparison be used to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine? I do condemn both invasions! [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism

roenxi 4y ago
Ah, thankyou. I was struggling to find the right word. > But semantics aside, I don't really get that line of argument. Do you think the US invading parts of the middle east was justified? If you do not, how can this comparison be used to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Both invasions were horrific. But the response to the US invasion of central Asia by other Asian powers was "eh, what can you do?". I don't see why the Russian invasion of Ukraine needs to be treated so differently, pouring in weapons, levelling sanctions, triggering various crisises, increasingly aggressive rhetoric and so forth. If Asia can get invaded and we all take it in stride, Europe can get invaded and we can admit the idea that we could again take it in stride. These people aren't so different from each other. The response should be a lot more thoughtful. More people need to acknowledge that in all likelihood that Russia is acting deliberately in response to long-term pressure and not because Putin is a special evil.
jopsen 4y ago
> I do condemn both invasions! So does many Americans politicians. Indeed a vocal minority opposed the US invasion at the time (they weren't prosecuted). IMO, the way the US negotiates and works with allies makes these wars incomparable.

roenxi 4y ago

Ah, thankyou. I was struggling to find the right word. > But semantics aside, I don't really get that line of argument. Do you think the US invading parts of the middle east was justified? If you do not, how can this comparison be used to justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine? Both invasions were horrific. But the response to the US invasion of central Asia by other Asian powers was "eh, what can you do?". I don't see why the Russian invasion of Ukraine needs to be treated so differently, pouring in weapons, levelling sanctions, triggering various crisises, increasingly aggressive rhetoric and so forth. If Asia can get invaded and we all take it in stride, Europe can get invaded and we can admit the idea that we could again take it in stride. These people aren't so different from each other. The response should be a lot more thoughtful. More people need to acknowledge that in all likelihood that Russia is acting deliberately in response to long-term pressure and not because Putin is a special evil.

jopsen 4y ago

> I do condemn both invasions! So does many Americans politicians. Indeed a vocal minority opposed the US invasion at the time (they weren't prosecuted). IMO, the way the US negotiates and works with allies makes these wars incomparable.