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>The reality is, way more people would have died without the vaccine You can't and couldn't possibly know that. Nobody could. What we do know today is that the

>The reality is, way more people would have died without the vaccine You can't and couldn't possibly know that. Nobody could. What we do know today is that the un-vaccinated aren't dying like was originally claimed they would, in fact they seem to be faring better for those under 60 or so.

madacol 4y ago
> ... in fact they seem to be faring better for those under 60 or so. Haven't heard that before!. Do you have a source to read more about it?
- TylerE 4y ago
  Probably one of those tabloid pieces saying something like "80% of the deaths are now among the vaccinated" - which ignore that the population vax rate in that country is higher than that.
bearjaws 4y ago
I am going to leave age out of it as I don't participate in the "fuck-em they're over the age of 55" mentality. The incident of death does increase substantially past 55, however people died at all ages during covid, so we know more infections = more deaths across the board. Given that the vaccine available at the time resulted in around a 85% reduction in likelyhood of infection, we can for sure declare it saved many more lives than without, unless it directly killed more people than it helped...
MagnumOpus 4y ago
> You can't and couldn't possibly know that. Nobody could Not with that attitude... Yes you can, there are plenty of ways of comparing regions or countries with high and low vaccination rates, or vaccination uptake. (Of course only while demographically adjusting, but the people who do these studies surprisingly often do think about the basic gotchas.)
mrguyorama 4y ago
>un-vaccinated aren't dying like was originally claimed they would Oh man what a gotcha! If only there was some sort of change in circumstances that could impact how many people will die from a new disease, like I don't know, new less damaging variants and significantly better care in facilities that are no longer buckling under the burden of thousands of cases a week.

madacol 4y ago

> ... in fact they seem to be faring better for those under 60 or so. Haven't heard that before!. Do you have a source to read more about it?

TylerE 4y ago
Probably one of those tabloid pieces saying something like "80% of the deaths are now among the vaccinated" - which ignore that the population vax rate in that country is higher than that.

bearjaws 4y ago

I am going to leave age out of it as I don't participate in the "fuck-em they're over the age of 55" mentality. The incident of death does increase substantially past 55, however people died at all ages during covid, so we know more infections = more deaths across the board. Given that the vaccine available at the time resulted in around a 85% reduction in likelyhood of infection, we can for sure declare it saved many more lives than without, unless it directly killed more people than it helped...

MagnumOpus 4y ago

> You can't and couldn't possibly know that. Nobody could Not with that attitude... Yes you can, there are plenty of ways of comparing regions or countries with high and low vaccination rates, or vaccination uptake. (Of course only while demographically adjusting, but the people who do these studies surprisingly often do think about the basic gotchas.)

mrguyorama 4y ago

>un-vaccinated aren't dying like was originally claimed they would Oh man what a gotcha! If only there was some sort of change in circumstances that could impact how many people will die from a new disease, like I don't know, new less damaging variants and significantly better care in facilities that are no longer buckling under the burden of thousands of cases a week.