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Getting SARS-Cov-2 without getting an mRNA shot allows the body to develop durable immunity; how many people do you know who got the shot have gotten SARS-Cov-2

by mikece 4y ago

Getting SARS-Cov-2 without getting an mRNA shot allows the body to develop durable immunity; how many people do you know who got the shot have gotten SARS-Cov-2 once or more after getting the shots and boosters? I'm not trying to be controversial but it seems if just get SARS-Cov-2 and survive you're better off than if you didn't get the shots and boosters.

airstrike 4y ago
Perhaps, but that is not the question I’m asking
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bearjaws 4y ago
I know people who got it without the vaccine and have since gotten it multiple times (one up to 4 times!). Rather than use anecdotes and spread misinformation, we can Google (multiple sources!) and find some studies comparing the outcomes of vaccinated and unvaccinated people. It has been known for some time that there is slightly weaker long term immunity for 2 shots when compared to getting it without. This gets better 3 shots, and getting 3 shots and having gotten covid is actually the most durable response of all 'options'.
- jaywalk 4y ago
  This is silly. Getting two shots was the "most durable" until it wasn't. There's literally no reason to believe that three shots is the holy grail, especially since we're up to four. Or is it five now?
  - saalweachter 4y ago
    I have had, approximately, 15 flu shots in my life. Sure, you say, the flu changes constantly. I think I've had something like 7 or 8 Tdap shots. The vaccine schedule on that is 3 shots two months apart, another shot a year later, then 2-3 years later, then every ~ten years after that. Why is "You need more than one shot" such a silver bullet argument?
weatherlight 4y ago
This is antidotal but my wife mother is a anti-vaxxer and has gotten covid at least twice that we know of, once during the initial surge here in the US and now just a few weeks ago.
bluGill 4y ago
I know a number of people who got COVID twice before the shots became an option as well. There never was any reason to think COVID would result in durable immunity, but some anti-vaccine have spread that as part of their general war on science. Lets me clear though, it was always propaganda with no basis in science (both anti-vaccine and political propaganda for different reason said things like that), nobody with any knowledge of infectious disease said something like that.
- jgalt212 4y ago
  > There never was any reason to think COVID would result in durable immunity Huh? Where does this come from? Where was the underlying data or mechanism (before the pandemic hit) that getting COVID (unlike most any other virus we've seen) would not result in durable immunity?
  - TechBro8615 4y ago
    The person you asked is probably going to reply with a comment about the frequency of mutations being so high that no two variants are the same and so there would be no immunity between them, in the same way you can get the flu twice. The problem with this argument is that it applies equally to a vaccine that targets a single variant of the disease (never mind one that isn't even circulating anymore).
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  - bluGill 4y ago
    There was plenty of evidence before that not all vaccines result in durable immunity, and nobody is really sure why.
- krona 4y ago
  > There never was any reason to think COVID would result in durable immunity Despite humans developing durable immunity to coronaviruses for millions of years?
jdhn 4y ago
>how many people do you know who got the shot have gotten SARS-Cov-2 once or more after getting the shots and boosters? I have. Got the first shot in August 2021, then got covid in December 2021. Got the second shot in January 2022 because my new job forced me to get it in order to stay employed, and then I got covid again in August 2022.
PeterisP 4y ago
> how many people do you know who got the shot have gotten SARS-Cov-2 once or more after getting the shots and boosters? Yes, most of them? At least in my area the first peaks of Covid were small, vaccines were available relatively early and most of the people I know were part of the early-vaccinated subpopulation when the big waves hit - so most of people I know got Covid after the vaccination and just a few did before the vaccination. And even less have never gotten it - anecdotally, the people I personally know who "didn't have Covid" are those who didn't test for it when they got sick. Anecdotally the vaccination status didn't seem to have an impact on the likelihood of catching the disease (e.g. vaccinated kids brought it home from school about just as likely as unvaccinated kids did) but rather on the severity of the disease. So in my view there is no really a choice of SARS-Cov-2 versus shots+boosters, it's effectively SARS-Cov-2 (likely multiple times as well) versus shots+boosters+SARS-Cov-2.
riley_dog 4y ago
My sister-in-law's sister is an anti-vaxxer who's gotten covid 4 times. So, at least one. I'm vaxxed and, to my knowledge, haven't contracted covid.
HeXetic 4y ago
> Getting SARS-Cov-2 without getting an mRNA shot allows the body to develop durable immunity The HermanCainAward reddit is full of counterexamples of unvaccinated people who got sick more than once and died from the 2nd or 3rd battle.
Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
> how many people do you know who got the shot have gotten SARS-Cov-2 once or more after getting the shots and boosters? Me, my wife, her parents, my mom, my grandma, and my brother's entire family. That said, all of us had very mild systems. For my wife and I, it played out like a cold. A minor fever for one day, a cough for two days, and a runny nose for three. Honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that my wife's work gave everyone 10 at-home COVID tests, we probably would have assumed it was a cold and not tested. My mom and grandma (who live together) both got COVID about 4 weeks after their second booster. My mom is immune compromised and my grandma is 83 and has poorly managed diabetes. COVID should have been a death sentence to both of them. Instead, they just laid in bed for a couple days and were fine. The vaccines won't necessarily prevent you from getting it, but they'll greatly reduce the symptoms, hospitalizations, and deaths.
kanetw 4y ago
I know 1 person who got SARS-CoV-2 twice, unvaccinated. And another who had it thrice, also unvaxxed.
Munksgaard 4y ago
I've had both shot and booster, and have since had COVID twice. Sure, that's anecdotal, but so is "How many people do you know...".
scarface74 4y ago
Yes, I know someone who got the shots and boosted and got Covid twice.

by mikece 4y ago

airstrike 4y ago

Perhaps, but that is not the question I’m asking

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bearjaws 4y ago

I know people who got it without the vaccine and have since gotten it multiple times (one up to 4 times!). Rather than use anecdotes and spread misinformation, we can Google (multiple sources!) and find some studies comparing the outcomes of vaccinated and unvaccinated people. It has been known for some time that there is slightly weaker long term immunity for 2 shots when compared to getting it without. This gets better 3 shots, and getting 3 shots and having gotten covid is actually the most durable response of all 'options'.

jaywalk 4y ago
This is silly. Getting two shots was the "most durable" until it wasn't. There's literally no reason to believe that three shots is the holy grail, especially since we're up to four. Or is it five now?
- saalweachter 4y ago
  I have had, approximately, 15 flu shots in my life. Sure, you say, the flu changes constantly. I think I've had something like 7 or 8 Tdap shots. The vaccine schedule on that is 3 shots two months apart, another shot a year later, then 2-3 years later, then every ~ten years after that. Why is "You need more than one shot" such a silver bullet argument?

weatherlight 4y ago

This is antidotal but my wife mother is a anti-vaxxer and has gotten covid at least twice that we know of, once during the initial surge here in the US and now just a few weeks ago.

bluGill 4y ago

I know a number of people who got COVID twice before the shots became an option as well. There never was any reason to think COVID would result in durable immunity, but some anti-vaccine have spread that as part of their general war on science. Lets me clear though, it was always propaganda with no basis in science (both anti-vaccine and political propaganda for different reason said things like that), nobody with any knowledge of infectious disease said something like that.

jgalt212 4y ago
> There never was any reason to think COVID would result in durable immunity Huh? Where does this come from? Where was the underlying data or mechanism (before the pandemic hit) that getting COVID (unlike most any other virus we've seen) would not result in durable immunity?
- TechBro8615 4y ago
  The person you asked is probably going to reply with a comment about the frequency of mutations being so high that no two variants are the same and so there would be no immunity between them, in the same way you can get the flu twice. The problem with this argument is that it applies equally to a vaccine that targets a single variant of the disease (never mind one that isn't even circulating anymore).
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- bluGill 4y ago
  There was plenty of evidence before that not all vaccines result in durable immunity, and nobody is really sure why.
krona 4y ago
> There never was any reason to think COVID would result in durable immunity Despite humans developing durable immunity to coronaviruses for millions of years?

jdhn 4y ago

>how many people do you know who got the shot have gotten SARS-Cov-2 once or more after getting the shots and boosters? I have. Got the first shot in August 2021, then got covid in December 2021. Got the second shot in January 2022 because my new job forced me to get it in order to stay employed, and then I got covid again in August 2022.

PeterisP 4y ago

> how many people do you know who got the shot have gotten SARS-Cov-2 once or more after getting the shots and boosters? Yes, most of them? At least in my area the first peaks of Covid were small, vaccines were available relatively early and most of the people I know were part of the early-vaccinated subpopulation when the big waves hit - so most of people I know got Covid after the vaccination and just a few did before the vaccination. And even less have never gotten it - anecdotally, the people I personally know who "didn't have Covid" are those who didn't test for it when they got sick. Anecdotally the vaccination status didn't seem to have an impact on the likelihood of catching the disease (e.g. vaccinated kids brought it home from school about just as likely as unvaccinated kids did) but rather on the severity of the disease. So in my view there is no really a choice of SARS-Cov-2 versus shots+boosters, it's effectively SARS-Cov-2 (likely multiple times as well) versus shots+boosters+SARS-Cov-2.

riley_dog 4y ago

My sister-in-law's sister is an anti-vaxxer who's gotten covid 4 times. So, at least one. I'm vaxxed and, to my knowledge, haven't contracted covid.

HeXetic 4y ago

> Getting SARS-Cov-2 without getting an mRNA shot allows the body to develop durable immunity The HermanCainAward reddit is full of counterexamples of unvaccinated people who got sick more than once and died from the 2nd or 3rd battle.

Sohcahtoa82 4y ago

> how many people do you know who got the shot have gotten SARS-Cov-2 once or more after getting the shots and boosters? Me, my wife, her parents, my mom, my grandma, and my brother's entire family. That said, all of us had very mild systems. For my wife and I, it played out like a cold. A minor fever for one day, a cough for two days, and a runny nose for three. Honestly, if it wasn't for the fact that my wife's work gave everyone 10 at-home COVID tests, we probably would have assumed it was a cold and not tested. My mom and grandma (who live together) both got COVID about 4 weeks after their second booster. My mom is immune compromised and my grandma is 83 and has poorly managed diabetes. COVID should have been a death sentence to both of them. Instead, they just laid in bed for a couple days and were fine. The vaccines won't necessarily prevent you from getting it, but they'll greatly reduce the symptoms, hospitalizations, and deaths.

kanetw 4y ago

I know 1 person who got SARS-CoV-2 twice, unvaccinated. And another who had it thrice, also unvaxxed.

Munksgaard 4y ago

I've had both shot and booster, and have since had COVID twice. Sure, that's anecdotal, but so is "How many people do you know...".

scarface74 4y ago

Yes, I know someone who got the shots and boosted and got Covid twice.