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I chose to get vaccinated and I continue to believe it was the right decision. More data may prove me wrong. We'll see, I suppose. But research like this under
by wikitopian 4y ago
I chose to get vaccinated and I continue to believe it was the right decision. More data may prove me wrong. We'll see, I suppose.
But research like this underscores the point that we should not be forcing or coercing vaccination. We also should not have subjected children to years of isolating and alienating lockdowns.
- MrBuddyCasino 4y ago[flagged]
- giamma 4y agoI disagree, statistics demonstrated that the death number largely decreased among vaccinated. As such to me "forcing" vaccination is legit if it saves more people than it harms, it's for the greater good. Personally I don't want to risk my life because my neighbour is not vaccinated, but on the other hand no one is preventing my neighbour from relocating to an isolated hut on the top of a mountain and avoid any contact with anyone if he/she does not want to get vaccinated. But as long as my neighbour wants to live in a city then he must comply with the decisions of the majority of people, who, at least in my country, rushed to get vaccinated as soon as possible. It's the same with politics: sometimes politicians are elected which I don't like, so I can either accept the decision of majority of electors and live with that, or I can move to another place. What I can't do is decide that I refuse to comply with a law because it was enacted by a government that I don't like or didn't vote.
- base698 4y agoI don't really understand this level of risk aversion. I'm probably old for hacker news, early 40s and my infection fatality rate is somewhere around 5 to 12 in 100k. I've got many hobbies and lifestyle choices that expose me to greater risk. Even at 80 years old the risk of covid at worst is basically no different than wingsuit base jumping hard for a season. Yes of course if you can lower your 5% risk of death by all means the vaccine is worth it. Somewhere between 50 and 80 is a gray area.
- scarface74 4y agoThere is not only death, there is “severe illness”.
- mrguyorama 4y agoI played a lot of DND. 1 out of 20 odds come up more often than you naturally expect.
- base698 4y ago> Yes of course if you can lower your 5% risk of death by all means the vaccine is worth it.
- ridgered4 4y agoI wasn't so much worried about death as I was about being crippled with long covid and having to deal with the medical system, that would probably not believe me for help.
- didibus 4y agoThis is true only in hindsight. The only reason you say that is because we actually kind of lucked out that COVID didn't turn out to be any deadlier, especially to younger folks. But when those decisions were made, that was not known clearly.
- anon291 4y agoBy the time the vaccine was available we knew this.
- didibus 4y agoWhen I took the vaccine, it was the beginning of Delta variant, I don't remember it being known at that time that the original strain would stop circulating or what the effects of Delta would be, and especially not long COVID related symptoms. I also didn't know a less virulent strain, Omicron would come and spread and take over the others. There was also the issue of ICUs reaching their max capacity, you can't have everyone be treated for severe COVID at the same time, so you needed a lot of people vaccinated fast to relive the medical system from that load. And finally, it wasn't known that it would still allow spread, or that it wouldn't work as well from Delta and Omicron as the original variant. When I took it as a 30 year old in very good health, I did so to protect my parents, my older coworkers, my friends that are immunocompromised, and to hope to avoid a bad time and possible long Covid symptoms. I'd already known two people who had died from COVID, one my age by obese, and one elderly. I wasn't worried of dying from COVID myself, but I still didn't want to get it, and I was worried of long term effects, still am on that. Even now, I don't think anyone can claim a unanimous decision was better or worse, even in hindsight. The positive second order effects of vaccination are not clearly quantified, the negative effects of Covid long term are not clearly quantified, and the negative effects of the various vaccines are not clearly quantified. The reason we're even all arguing about it is because it's very ambiguous knowing which is best, vaccination or not. If it was obvious one was a better decision we wouldn't be having all these debates of opinion.
- anon291 4y agoForcing people to take it whether by threatening their jobs, their access to family, etc was morally bankrupt. We should all be able to agree on that.
- anon291 4y agoMy In laws coerced me into getting vaccinated and honestly I regret it. We ended up with COVID more than my unvaxxed family. It's hard to forgive them or the government.
- ttpphd 4y agoThere is no reason here to blame the vaccine.
- anon291 4y agoWell yeah. The vaccine is an inanimate object. I blame my state government and family