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To put this in relation, here is a comparison of gas storage capacities in Europe: https://erdgasspeicher.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ines_gasspeicher_kapazi

by lqet 4y ago

To put this in relation, here is a comparison of gas storage capacities in Europe: https://erdgasspeicher.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ines_gasspeicher_kapazitaete_eu.jpg https://erdgasspeicher.de/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/ines_ga... Here is table from Sunday which also shows the total gas stored in each country, along with the capacity ("Working volume"), annual consumption, and injection / withdrawal capacities: https://agsi.gie.eu/ https://agsi.gie.eu/ Missing from the list is Switzerland, which does not have any gas storage capacities at all.

yread 4y ago
You can see it graphically (with more data) at https://gasdashboard.entsog.eu/ https://gasdashboard.entsog.eu/ (scroll down a bit) There's also Bert's Gazmon for quick overview https://berthub.eu/gazmon/ https://berthub.eu/gazmon/
pydry 4y ago
The UK has 35Mtpa LNG port capacity and spain has 44Mtpa which is more than the rest put together though (Germany has 0!), so it probably balances out in terms of screwedness. The UK also produces about half of it natural gas. Each country has differing reliance on natural gas too. The UK is particularly reliant, for example. Only the Netherlands looks well prepared - 8.8Mtpa of LNG import capacity, 120TWh of storage and a relatively small population. Somebody should make a model of country per country screwedness that takes all of this into account.
- malcsm 4y ago
  According to a recent Lord's debate the UK only has 5 days supply at peak demand, but are planning to re-open a mothballed storage facility to double this. As the UK gets 45% of its gas from its own domestic resources, the gas fields can be considered a huge gas storage facility. https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2022-09-07/debates/9AFA9433-EDC9-404A-97AE-6C7E607F0B6A/Debate https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2022-09-07/debates/9AFA9...
- Theodores 4y ago
  All models and predictions will be based on assumptions, for example, there is a movement to not pay bills. What if the people not paying decide that, since they are not paying, they might as well use as much as possible? All it would take is a charismatic populist to come along and to promote such a thing for any reserves to be gone. I am not sure that having LNG ports makes much difference if you have a minor currency such as Sterling and you have to just print more of it to pay for LNG. Other customers might have a manufacturing base or lots of gold, which would trump paper money.
  - wikfwikf 4y ago
    Sterling is an anomalously strong and major currency given the UK's size and wealth.
    - Theodores 4y ago
      ...said my Dad in 2008.
- Mvandenbergh 4y ago
  Historically, the UK has not had much gas storage capacity (even Rough wasn't that big) because gas wells have a reasonable amount of turndown capacity and those wells are directly coupled through St Fergus and other sites into gas cleaning and then into the national gas grid. Germany has never had significant gas production and is heavily gas dependent so has built up storage facilities for strategic reasons. The mistake made was that since 2004, the UK has become a gas importer with a greater fraction of imports every year. There was then a series of judgements made by successive governments that: 1) Gas was only a bridge fuel from which the UK would move away over time 2) The UK network is also essentially directly coupled into the Norwegian gas system which is and was massive 3) The UK has proportionately a very large amount of LNG terminal capacity Therefore it was decided that it was not necessary either to develop more storage capacity nor indeed to pay for the re-completion of Rough in order to keep it operating. This now seems to have been a serious error. This is particularly true because: 1) The UK, like The Netherlands, is almost entirely gas heated, Germany is also heavily gas dependent but heating mixes vary across European countries by a lot more than most people appreciate. This is because the UK and The Netherlands discovered gas early and gas is a brilliant heating fuel (apart from the whole global warming thing...). Norway, which discovered gas in large quantities only after it had already built hydro infrastructure and invested in electric heating, doesn't use much gas for heating domestically. 2) The UK has a lot of renewables and very little hydro and has therefore developed over the last decade into a gas + renewables electrical grid and closed its coal power plants. The great wave of nuclear AGR shutdowns has barely started but the Magnoxes are mostly offline already. Other European countries have kept their coal plants around either in daily use or on standby and are therefore able to bring them back. The GB grid simply doesn't have much idled but non-demolished coal capacity left on it. 3) Although, unlike most EU power markets, the GB electricity market is not pure "energy only" and has a capacity market, like those markets, electricity is priced at the marginal cost which in most hours is set by gas generation. So the UK gets a double whammy of gas price effects.
twawaaay 4y ago
To make it even better it would be useful to have the stored amount per capita and also number of days the country can rely on stored amount. Although I understand the usage will heavily depend on the weather and how far the country will go in restricting the usage of gas reserves (for example, shutting down various production sectors).
- Tade0 4y ago
  Additionally the level of dependence on Russian gas differs between countries as well.
  - rjzzleep 4y ago
    Most EU countries do not have LNG terminals FYI it's not something that magically appears by itself. Germany has already slowed down approvals for other construction projects due to construction supply-chain issues.
    - twawaaay 4y ago
      Yeah, good point. So another point would also be listing ability to replenish the reserves (availability of LNG terminals and other negotiated supply solutions).
rjzzleep 4y ago
nikolatt 4y ago
On the topic of AGSI, the company I work for published a Python client to work with their API in case you're interested: https://github.com/ROITI-Ltd/alsi-py https://github.com/ROITI-Ltd/alsi-py Edit: Correction, it's for ALSI, not AGSI, sorry about that. We should add AGSI now that the API is available.
taubek 4y ago
You can also see some of the numbers here https://memgraph.com/blog/gas-pipelines-in-europe https://memgraph.com/blog/gas-pipelines-in-europe or even try to run different scenarios https://playground.memgraph.com/sandbox/europe-gas-pipelines-scigrid https://playground.memgraph.com/sandbox/europe-gas-pipelines...

by lqet 4y ago

yread 4y ago

You can see it graphically (with more data) at https://gasdashboard.entsog.eu/ https://gasdashboard.entsog.eu/ (scroll down a bit) There's also Bert's Gazmon for quick overview https://berthub.eu/gazmon/ https://berthub.eu/gazmon/

pydry 4y ago

The UK has 35Mtpa LNG port capacity and spain has 44Mtpa which is more than the rest put together though (Germany has 0!), so it probably balances out in terms of screwedness. The UK also produces about half of it natural gas. Each country has differing reliance on natural gas too. The UK is particularly reliant, for example. Only the Netherlands looks well prepared - 8.8Mtpa of LNG import capacity, 120TWh of storage and a relatively small population. Somebody should make a model of country per country screwedness that takes all of this into account.

malcsm 4y ago
According to a recent Lord's debate the UK only has 5 days supply at peak demand, but are planning to re-open a mothballed storage facility to double this. As the UK gets 45% of its gas from its own domestic resources, the gas fields can be considered a huge gas storage facility. https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2022-09-07/debates/9AFA9433-EDC9-404A-97AE-6C7E607F0B6A/Debate https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2022-09-07/debates/9AFA9...
Theodores 4y ago
All models and predictions will be based on assumptions, for example, there is a movement to not pay bills. What if the people not paying decide that, since they are not paying, they might as well use as much as possible? All it would take is a charismatic populist to come along and to promote such a thing for any reserves to be gone. I am not sure that having LNG ports makes much difference if you have a minor currency such as Sterling and you have to just print more of it to pay for LNG. Other customers might have a manufacturing base or lots of gold, which would trump paper money.
- wikfwikf 4y ago
  Sterling is an anomalously strong and major currency given the UK's size and wealth.
  - Theodores 4y ago
    ...said my Dad in 2008.
Mvandenbergh 4y ago
Historically, the UK has not had much gas storage capacity (even Rough wasn't that big) because gas wells have a reasonable amount of turndown capacity and those wells are directly coupled through St Fergus and other sites into gas cleaning and then into the national gas grid. Germany has never had significant gas production and is heavily gas dependent so has built up storage facilities for strategic reasons. The mistake made was that since 2004, the UK has become a gas importer with a greater fraction of imports every year. There was then a series of judgements made by successive governments that: 1) Gas was only a bridge fuel from which the UK would move away over time 2) The UK network is also essentially directly coupled into the Norwegian gas system which is and was massive 3) The UK has proportionately a very large amount of LNG terminal capacity Therefore it was decided that it was not necessary either to develop more storage capacity nor indeed to pay for the re-completion of Rough in order to keep it operating. This now seems to have been a serious error. This is particularly true because: 1) The UK, like The Netherlands, is almost entirely gas heated, Germany is also heavily gas dependent but heating mixes vary across European countries by a lot more than most people appreciate. This is because the UK and The Netherlands discovered gas early and gas is a brilliant heating fuel (apart from the whole global warming thing...). Norway, which discovered gas in large quantities only after it had already built hydro infrastructure and invested in electric heating, doesn't use much gas for heating domestically. 2) The UK has a lot of renewables and very little hydro and has therefore developed over the last decade into a gas + renewables electrical grid and closed its coal power plants. The great wave of nuclear AGR shutdowns has barely started but the Magnoxes are mostly offline already. Other European countries have kept their coal plants around either in daily use or on standby and are therefore able to bring them back. The GB grid simply doesn't have much idled but non-demolished coal capacity left on it. 3) Although, unlike most EU power markets, the GB electricity market is not pure "energy only" and has a capacity market, like those markets, electricity is priced at the marginal cost which in most hours is set by gas generation. So the UK gets a double whammy of gas price effects.

twawaaay 4y ago

To make it even better it would be useful to have the stored amount per capita and also number of days the country can rely on stored amount. Although I understand the usage will heavily depend on the weather and how far the country will go in restricting the usage of gas reserves (for example, shutting down various production sectors).

Tade0 4y ago
Additionally the level of dependence on Russian gas differs between countries as well.
- rjzzleep 4y ago
  Most EU countries do not have LNG terminals FYI it's not something that magically appears by itself. Germany has already slowed down approvals for other construction projects due to construction supply-chain issues.
  - twawaaay 4y ago
    Yeah, good point. So another point would also be listing ability to replenish the reserves (availability of LNG terminals and other negotiated supply solutions).

rjzzleep 4y ago

nikolatt 4y ago

On the topic of AGSI, the company I work for published a Python client to work with their API in case you're interested: https://github.com/ROITI-Ltd/alsi-py https://github.com/ROITI-Ltd/alsi-py Edit: Correction, it's for ALSI, not AGSI, sorry about that. We should add AGSI now that the API is available.

taubek 4y ago

You can also see some of the numbers here https://memgraph.com/blog/gas-pipelines-in-europe https://memgraph.com/blog/gas-pipelines-in-europe or even try to run different scenarios https://playground.memgraph.com/sandbox/europe-gas-pipelines-scigrid https://playground.memgraph.com/sandbox/europe-gas-pipelines...