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> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it; it goes with their collection of wooden nickels. Define "obviously". Bla

> People who accept an obviously fake printed copy of a banknote basically deserve it; it goes with their collection of wooden nickels. Define "obviously". Black and white on copy paper? Sure. But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? That's different. Forget the fibers and the holograms--we're not worried about people printing $20s and $100s to buy a high-end TV. It's singles and fives for groceries and household essentials that are the real pull. If a cashier is handed three fives and seven ones and has to spend two seconds scrutinizing each bill because one in ten people are trying to pass counterfeits they printed at home, that's going to slow things down.

kazinator 4y ago
> But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? Someone pulling off right color and feel is not going to be stopped by CBCDG's crusade to put some nonsense into Adobe Photoshop.
- KerrAvon 4y ago
  Yes, the feel of the paper in particular is impossible to casually replicate. However, what makes you think a particular minimum wage employee can actually feel the paper? People get injuries that affect their senses in weird ways. It’s still not fair to say that they “deserve it.” That said, I agree that Photoshop should not have this code. It’s on the Photoshop user to not be an asshole. That shouldn’t be Adobe’s problem.
  - unosama 4y ago
    The worker could be blind too. Who's to say with those poor, ignorant minimum wagies
  - fhsm 4y ago
    The physical object is so distinctive that it is hard for me to imagine photo printing being a critical step in faking it - https://www.littletoncoin.com/shop/How-Paper-Money-Is-Made https://www.littletoncoin.com/shop/How-Paper-Money-Is-Made . The paper is the most instantaneously obvious to me - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/moolah/anatomypaper.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/moolah/anatomypaper.html - just think how different real money is from Monopoly money when handled. With COVID it seems that more cashiers are wearing rubber gloves. Do rubber gloves substantially diminished the tactile advantage of real currency? Hopefully not as it would be easy to pick these softer targets from a safe distance. The paper has an interesting bit of history too - https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/crane-has-provided-the-paper-for-us-money-for-centuries-now-its-going-global/2013/12/13/9aa4190a-5c39-11e3-be07-006c776266ed_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/crane-has-pr...
  - hoseja 4y ago
    >a particular minimum wage employee Well then perhaps that should be the cost of employing people with minimum training for minimum wages. No sympathy.
    - themaninthedark 4y ago
      I feel the same way about food and food safety. If you can't train your employees to recognize milk adulterated with melamine, no sympathy.
- kube-system 4y ago
  Nobody called it a counterfeit prevention system. If Adobe doesn’t want to facilitate counterfeiting, that’s their prerogative, regardless of their ineffectiveness in stopping crime that is beyond their ability to control. Adobe can only control what they control, and this is that.
  - unosama 4y ago
    This is a regulation, not something Adobe voluntarily did
    - kube-system 4y ago
      > Adobe voluntarily chose to work with international banks to help solve the problem, said Kevin Connor, Adobe's director of product management for professional digital imaging. https://www.wired.com/2004/01/currency-detector-easy-to-defeat/ https://www.wired.com/2004/01/currency-detector-easy-to-defe...
devwastaken 4y ago
This is already easily done. Just exclude the security features that prevent opening or printing. If they're in that much of a hurry then they're not looking anyways. The only time the visual detection would be used is in conjunction with the other physical methods that cannot be printed. Overwhelmingly transactions are digital, and for bigger stores self checkouts are used. If the problem was significant then cash registers can easily handle the bills and automatically scan them as self checkouts do. I would presume the level of fraud isn't even high enough to the cost of that hardware.
kgwxd 4y ago
This is what law is for. Getting caught, even for the smallest unit, should far outweigh the benefit. One in ten people aren't going to take that risk. There's no reason a random group of bankers should be expecting the entire world to partake in their anti-counterfeiting measures by putting closed source software in their products. It will never prevent someone who has decided to become a counterfeiter from accomplishing their goal unless the entire world is on board and no one ever figures out how to work around it. It's just more security theater, paid for with taxpayer money, a global scam that's far more disgusting to me than any counterfeiting crime I've heard of.

kazinator 4y ago

> But color ink, on paper of the right color and feel? Someone pulling off right color and feel is not going to be stopped by CBCDG's crusade to put some nonsense into Adobe Photoshop.

KerrAvon 4y ago
Yes, the feel of the paper in particular is impossible to casually replicate. However, what makes you think a particular minimum wage employee can actually feel the paper? People get injuries that affect their senses in weird ways. It’s still not fair to say that they “deserve it.” That said, I agree that Photoshop should not have this code. It’s on the Photoshop user to not be an asshole. That shouldn’t be Adobe’s problem.
- unosama 4y ago
  The worker could be blind too. Who's to say with those poor, ignorant minimum wagies
- fhsm 4y ago
  The physical object is so distinctive that it is hard for me to imagine photo printing being a critical step in faking it - https://www.littletoncoin.com/shop/How-Paper-Money-Is-Made https://www.littletoncoin.com/shop/How-Paper-Money-Is-Made . The paper is the most instantaneously obvious to me - https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/moolah/anatomypaper.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/moolah/anatomypaper.html - just think how different real money is from Monopoly money when handled. With COVID it seems that more cashiers are wearing rubber gloves. Do rubber gloves substantially diminished the tactile advantage of real currency? Hopefully not as it would be easy to pick these softer targets from a safe distance. The paper has an interesting bit of history too - https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/crane-has-provided-the-paper-for-us-money-for-centuries-now-its-going-global/2013/12/13/9aa4190a-5c39-11e3-be07-006c776266ed_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/crane-has-pr...
- hoseja 4y ago
  >a particular minimum wage employee Well then perhaps that should be the cost of employing people with minimum training for minimum wages. No sympathy.
  - themaninthedark 4y ago
    I feel the same way about food and food safety. If you can't train your employees to recognize milk adulterated with melamine, no sympathy.
kube-system 4y ago
Nobody called it a counterfeit prevention system. If Adobe doesn’t want to facilitate counterfeiting, that’s their prerogative, regardless of their ineffectiveness in stopping crime that is beyond their ability to control. Adobe can only control what they control, and this is that.
- unosama 4y ago
  This is a regulation, not something Adobe voluntarily did
  - kube-system 4y ago
    > Adobe voluntarily chose to work with international banks to help solve the problem, said Kevin Connor, Adobe's director of product management for professional digital imaging. https://www.wired.com/2004/01/currency-detector-easy-to-defeat/ https://www.wired.com/2004/01/currency-detector-easy-to-defe...

devwastaken 4y ago

This is already easily done. Just exclude the security features that prevent opening or printing. If they're in that much of a hurry then they're not looking anyways. The only time the visual detection would be used is in conjunction with the other physical methods that cannot be printed. Overwhelmingly transactions are digital, and for bigger stores self checkouts are used. If the problem was significant then cash registers can easily handle the bills and automatically scan them as self checkouts do. I would presume the level of fraud isn't even high enough to the cost of that hardware.

kgwxd 4y ago

This is what law is for. Getting caught, even for the smallest unit, should far outweigh the benefit. One in ten people aren't going to take that risk. There's no reason a random group of bankers should be expecting the entire world to partake in their anti-counterfeiting measures by putting closed source software in their products. It will never prevent someone who has decided to become a counterfeiter from accomplishing their goal unless the entire world is on board and no one ever figures out how to work around it. It's just more security theater, paid for with taxpayer money, a global scam that's far more disgusting to me than any counterfeiting crime I've heard of.