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Folks here said the new Weather app has the same info. I upgraded to iOS 16 about a year before I normally would just to check this. And nope, it doesn't have t

Folks here said the new Weather app has the same info. I upgraded to iOS 16 about a year before I normally would just to check this. And nope, it doesn't have the one feature I use Dark Sky for – the one feature no other weather app has: the ability to see what the weather was yesterday. It's what Dark Sky calls "Time Machine". (Can't believe Apple let them use this name this long, now that I think of it.) (I supported the original crowdfunding campaign for Dark Sky in 2011.)

adamsiem 4y ago
I always use this! Great for assessing business activity and comparing localized weather to activity.
jdminhbg 4y ago
Historical data is still available in the WeatherKit API at least: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/72581627/cant-find-weatherkit-historical-data-and-trouble-with-attribution https://stackoverflow.com/questions/72581627/cant-find-weath...
- Iomegan 4y ago
  At least it seems to be a known bug: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/708727 https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/708727
- Iomegan 4y ago
  At the moment it is not working for more than 7 days in the past.
8ytecoder 4y ago
Carrot has it. It’s called Time Machine. I feel like it’s always had it.
- savolai 4y ago
  Wow that’s what I call a fun app.
can16358p 4y ago
Weather app doesn't even show the hour before. I get it, less features = simpler user interface and less code maintenance... but they could at least start at current hour BUT provide ability to scroll back in time for a few days, perhaps showing that data with 0.5 opacity faded to indicate that the data is no longer relevant (past). Otherwise I LOVE the updated weather app in iOS 16 where you can see many data points in a nice graph for the next week hourly for things like humidity, wind etc.
- jxramos 4y ago
  I’m not a big fan of this less features ethos. This feature anemic set of software that gets put out more often than not drives me bonkers. It’s as if they don’t want power users.
  - hulitu 4y ago
    They want idiots. And then complain when their users are idiots.
    - jxramos 4y ago
      I’ve been daydreaming about the possibility of OS support for semi-arbitrary plugins for apps and how those apps could expose certain things for the plug-in to utilize. It’s a very half-baked idea of mine but I’ve wondered if it’s possible to permit the baseline simplicity of an app while giving an outlet for power users to craft something useful atop them. I’m curious how certain apps even permit a plug in architecture in the first place like vscode extensions etc. What do these apps expose that makes it all possible and is there a way to generalize it to all apps.
      - concordDance 4y ago
        You want open source software.
      - vineyardmike 4y ago
        Like the sibling commented, that’s what open source is for. BUT apple specifically has ExtensionKit, which is a library for arbitrary extensions in arbitrary apps. Of course, the host-app needs to support extensions and build it in. So your theorizing about a way for any app to have a plugin, its there. Many system apps in OSes have this feature, and many more apps (eg vscode) support it. Realistically, web-apps are almost what you want too. Web-apps allow for pretty arbitrary extensions via browser plugins, which can modify the actual UI of the webpage, and make API calls to the backend (by acting as the JavaScript on the page). WebApps are basically open source though (or source available) by nature of how browsers work. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/extensionkit https://developer.apple.com/documentation/extensionkit
ramraj07 4y ago
What do we expect from stupid Apple. They don’t even store more than the last 100 phone calls. It’s 2020. Their phone is more powerful than supercomputers from the 90s. It can’t store more than 100 phone numbers.
Leftium 4y ago
One of the reasons I built https://uw.leftium.com/ https://uw.leftium.com/ was so I could compare the previous two days' weather. It uses the DarkSky API, but also supports other weather API's: https://github.com/Leftium/ultra-weather#readme https://github.com/Leftium/ultra-weather#readme
- beefman 4y ago
  Really great. Thank you! And if you make it into an iOS app, I'll buy it.
vl 4y ago
Wunderground allows you to scroll 24 hours back.
benbristow 4y ago
I've noticed the Weather app to be pretty unreliable to be fair. The amount of times I've looked out the window recently when my phone says it's raining but it's completely dry or vice-versa or it says it's definitely going to rain and it doesn't. Perhaps no weather app is good enough to deal with Scottish (specifically Glaswegian-ish) weather :)
- mstade 4y ago
  Same here in Stockholm! WeatherPro seems to hold up pretty well, but the built in weather app is mostly useless. Pretty though!
  - willmacdonald 4y ago
    I'm in Stockholm too. I find klart.se, SMHI or yr.no to work pretty well.
    - cycomanic 4y ago
      In Gothenburg, I found weather apps pretty substandard compared to AUS where I lived before. I agree though that SMHI seems to be the best, google weather has often been comically off.
- suction 4y ago
  Apple Weather's forecast is unusable in the whole of Europe because of the data providers they use. Pretty disappointing to have such a US-centric view on an app that's so integral to a smartphone. They either should work with European data providers or make the app unavailable outside of those markets similar to how they do it with the "news" app.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - Angostura 4y ago
    In the UK it seems to be just about the most reliable for me.
71bw 4y ago
That was the best single feature in the UWP Weather app on Windows 10 Mobile. It allowed you to see past history data up to 25+ years I believe, hell, they even included a "Past highest/lowest" temperature for every single day so that you could see, that, for example, the lowest temperature on the 8th of August was in 1984. Also the iOS Weather app uses Weather.com for its data, which is just plain unreliable in Europe.
bpye 4y ago
Environment Canada publish historical weather [0] as do the Met Office [1]. I also recently discovered that the BC government have their own air quality monitoring stations - and that data is also available [2]. [0] - https://climate.weather.gc.ca/index_e.html https://climate.weather.gc.ca/index_e.html [1] - https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/data/index https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/... [2] - https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/environment/air-land-water/air/air-quality/current-air-quality-data https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/environment/air-land-wate...
Phenomenit 4y ago
Is it because they don't want you to know how bad their prediction was?
toteno 4y ago
I really like timeanddate [1] website for looking at past weather. For most cities you can check up to 12 years before. It's also useful if you want to check what's typical weather in some city. [1] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/france/paris/historic https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/france/paris/historic
eproxus 4y ago
What’s new is that you can tap the hourly forecast card, or the Today entry in the 10-day forecast and get a historical graph for the current day at least. But yeah, not possible to check yesterday’s weather.
Terretta 4y ago
> one feature no other weather app has WeatherNerd: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weather-nerd/id958363882 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weather-nerd/id958363882 Has a calendar icon, tap it to see any actual day historically or, if more tham 2 weeks ahead, based on almanac type prediction. Used to be best out there for considering travel three months from now. I’m a weather geek with ~4 folder panes of 9 apps each, and WeatherNerd is in the “must have” front pane. Dark Sky used to be my #1, but was superseded by Carrot (which has a Dark Sky feed) for everyday use and Windy.app at storm-prone water front with microclimates and wind/wave/tide patterns, thanks to meteogram-style overlay of competing weather models for precipitation and wind. Windy.app: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/windy-app-wind-weather/id997079492 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/windy-app-wind-weather/id99707... iOS 16 Weather is remarkable though. It’s now easily third on my list, and would likely be first for most people especially since no subscription fee. For instance, try to use apps to look at UV graph for next Saturday — few can. The live background is fun, and the iPad layout is as much detail instrumentation as most people can handle. But in my book, DarkSky started it all — the race for precise accurate practical usable micro cell weather, and happy for them they are now getting into so many more hands through the new iOS 16 app. But Carrot is the spiritual successor. Carrot: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/carrot-weather-alerts-radar/id961390574 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/carrot-weather-alerts-radar/id... It has TimeTravel too. And because Carrot has a fully editable UI builder, it transmogrifies into whatever weather app you like best.
- mgr86 4y ago
  > Used to be best out there for considering travel three months from now. -- While not directly comparable I love weatherspark for planning travel [0]. I first used it to help plan honeymoon travel. [0] https://weatherspark.com/ https://weatherspark.com/
- efficax 4y ago
  it looks like weathernerd uses the darksky api, so it will have to find a new source for weather data or it’s also gone soon.
  - geoelectric 4y ago

adamsiem 4y ago

I always use this! Great for assessing business activity and comparing localized weather to activity.

jdminhbg 4y ago

Historical data is still available in the WeatherKit API at least: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/72581627/cant-find-weatherkit-historical-data-and-trouble-with-attribution https://stackoverflow.com/questions/72581627/cant-find-weath...

Iomegan 4y ago
At least it seems to be a known bug: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/708727 https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/708727
Iomegan 4y ago
At the moment it is not working for more than 7 days in the past.

8ytecoder 4y ago

Carrot has it. It’s called Time Machine. I feel like it’s always had it.

savolai 4y ago
Wow that’s what I call a fun app.

can16358p 4y ago

Weather app doesn't even show the hour before. I get it, less features = simpler user interface and less code maintenance... but they could at least start at current hour BUT provide ability to scroll back in time for a few days, perhaps showing that data with 0.5 opacity faded to indicate that the data is no longer relevant (past). Otherwise I LOVE the updated weather app in iOS 16 where you can see many data points in a nice graph for the next week hourly for things like humidity, wind etc.

jxramos 4y ago
I’m not a big fan of this less features ethos. This feature anemic set of software that gets put out more often than not drives me bonkers. It’s as if they don’t want power users.
- hulitu 4y ago
  They want idiots. And then complain when their users are idiots.
  - jxramos 4y ago
    I’ve been daydreaming about the possibility of OS support for semi-arbitrary plugins for apps and how those apps could expose certain things for the plug-in to utilize. It’s a very half-baked idea of mine but I’ve wondered if it’s possible to permit the baseline simplicity of an app while giving an outlet for power users to craft something useful atop them. I’m curious how certain apps even permit a plug in architecture in the first place like vscode extensions etc. What do these apps expose that makes it all possible and is there a way to generalize it to all apps.
    - concordDance 4y ago
      You want open source software.
    - vineyardmike 4y ago
      Like the sibling commented, that’s what open source is for. BUT apple specifically has ExtensionKit, which is a library for arbitrary extensions in arbitrary apps. Of course, the host-app needs to support extensions and build it in. So your theorizing about a way for any app to have a plugin, its there. Many system apps in OSes have this feature, and many more apps (eg vscode) support it. Realistically, web-apps are almost what you want too. Web-apps allow for pretty arbitrary extensions via browser plugins, which can modify the actual UI of the webpage, and make API calls to the backend (by acting as the JavaScript on the page). WebApps are basically open source though (or source available) by nature of how browsers work. https://developer.apple.com/documentation/extensionkit https://developer.apple.com/documentation/extensionkit

ramraj07 4y ago

What do we expect from stupid Apple. They don’t even store more than the last 100 phone calls. It’s 2020. Their phone is more powerful than supercomputers from the 90s. It can’t store more than 100 phone numbers.

Leftium 4y ago

One of the reasons I built https://uw.leftium.com/ https://uw.leftium.com/ was so I could compare the previous two days' weather. It uses the DarkSky API, but also supports other weather API's: https://github.com/Leftium/ultra-weather#readme https://github.com/Leftium/ultra-weather#readme

beefman 4y ago
Really great. Thank you! And if you make it into an iOS app, I'll buy it.

vl 4y ago

Wunderground allows you to scroll 24 hours back.

benbristow 4y ago

I've noticed the Weather app to be pretty unreliable to be fair. The amount of times I've looked out the window recently when my phone says it's raining but it's completely dry or vice-versa or it says it's definitely going to rain and it doesn't. Perhaps no weather app is good enough to deal with Scottish (specifically Glaswegian-ish) weather :)

mstade 4y ago
Same here in Stockholm! WeatherPro seems to hold up pretty well, but the built in weather app is mostly useless. Pretty though!
- willmacdonald 4y ago
  I'm in Stockholm too. I find klart.se, SMHI or yr.no to work pretty well.
  - cycomanic 4y ago
    In Gothenburg, I found weather apps pretty substandard compared to AUS where I lived before. I agree though that SMHI seems to be the best, google weather has often been comically off.
suction 4y ago
Apple Weather's forecast is unusable in the whole of Europe because of the data providers they use. Pretty disappointing to have such a US-centric view on an app that's so integral to a smartphone. They either should work with European data providers or make the app unavailable outside of those markets similar to how they do it with the "news" app.
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
- Angostura 4y ago
  In the UK it seems to be just about the most reliable for me.

71bw 4y ago

That was the best single feature in the UWP Weather app on Windows 10 Mobile. It allowed you to see past history data up to 25+ years I believe, hell, they even included a "Past highest/lowest" temperature for every single day so that you could see, that, for example, the lowest temperature on the 8th of August was in 1984. Also the iOS Weather app uses Weather.com for its data, which is just plain unreliable in Europe.

bpye 4y ago

Environment Canada publish historical weather [0] as do the Met Office [1]. I also recently discovered that the BC government have their own air quality monitoring stations - and that data is also available [2]. [0] - https://climate.weather.gc.ca/index_e.html https://climate.weather.gc.ca/index_e.html [1] - https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/data/index https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/... [2] - https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/environment/air-land-water/air/air-quality/current-air-quality-data https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/environment/air-land-wate...

Phenomenit 4y ago

Is it because they don't want you to know how bad their prediction was?

toteno 4y ago

I really like timeanddate [1] website for looking at past weather. For most cities you can check up to 12 years before. It's also useful if you want to check what's typical weather in some city. [1] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/france/paris/historic https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/france/paris/historic

eproxus 4y ago

What’s new is that you can tap the hourly forecast card, or the Today entry in the 10-day forecast and get a historical graph for the current day at least. But yeah, not possible to check yesterday’s weather.

Terretta 4y ago

> one feature no other weather app has WeatherNerd: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weather-nerd/id958363882 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weather-nerd/id958363882 Has a calendar icon, tap it to see any actual day historically or, if more tham 2 weeks ahead, based on almanac type prediction. Used to be best out there for considering travel three months from now. I’m a weather geek with ~4 folder panes of 9 apps each, and WeatherNerd is in the “must have” front pane. Dark Sky used to be my #1, but was superseded by Carrot (which has a Dark Sky feed) for everyday use and Windy.app at storm-prone water front with microclimates and wind/wave/tide patterns, thanks to meteogram-style overlay of competing weather models for precipitation and wind. Windy.app: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/windy-app-wind-weather/id997079492 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/windy-app-wind-weather/id99707... iOS 16 Weather is remarkable though. It’s now easily third on my list, and would likely be first for most people especially since no subscription fee. For instance, try to use apps to look at UV graph for next Saturday — few can. The live background is fun, and the iPad layout is as much detail instrumentation as most people can handle. But in my book, DarkSky started it all — the race for precise accurate practical usable micro cell weather, and happy for them they are now getting into so many more hands through the new iOS 16 app. But Carrot is the spiritual successor. Carrot: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/carrot-weather-alerts-radar/id961390574 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/carrot-weather-alerts-radar/id... It has TimeTravel too. And because Carrot has a fully editable UI builder, it transmogrifies into whatever weather app you like best.

mgr86 4y ago
> Used to be best out there for considering travel three months from now. -- While not directly comparable I love weatherspark for planning travel [0]. I first used it to help plan honeymoon travel. [0] https://weatherspark.com/ https://weatherspark.com/
efficax 4y ago
it looks like weathernerd uses the darksky api, so it will have to find a new source for weather data or it’s also gone soon.
- geoelectric 4y ago