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So when the vaccine fails you take the IS to stop the overreaction?

jballanc 15y ago
Vaccines and drug treatments are two different avenues of attack. The primary purpose of a vaccine is to prevent infection. Certain vaccines, if administered immediately post-exposure, can have some use as treatment, but they are generally used to prevent the initial infection. If you were to become infected, the first route for attack would be neuraminidase inhibitors. There are two widely available kinds of these drugs, and so far they have proven mostly effective against H5N1. There is the possibility for resistance to develop, but so far they do work. If they prove to not work, then (and I am not a doctor, so don't quote me) I imagine the recommended treatment would be high-dose steroids coupled with antibiotics. This is the generic treatment for problematic inflammation. If this treatment proved insufficient, then as a last resort you might try immune-suppressive therapies, but as far as I know that route is largely untested in the field. The bigger point, though, is that modern medicine has many tools in its toolbox, and homeopathy is definitely not one of them. It has never been proven to have any real effect in any sort of rigorous trial. In contrast, all of the other items I listed above (vaccine, neuraminidase inhibitor, steroid, immune-suppressive) have all been extensively tested and verified to be effective.
- adrianwaj 15y ago
  "Homeopathic therapy was found to be useful in relieving menopausal distressing symptoms such as hot flashes, night sweats, anxiety, palpitation, depression, insomnia, and so on. This study proves the usefulness of homeopathic medicines in relieving DDCY." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22087613 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22087613 "A simple description is provided of the process of potentization in homeopathic dilutions. With the exception of minor details, this simple model replicates the results previously obtained from a more complex model. While excited states are short lived in isolated molecules, they become long lived in nanodomains that form coherent cooperative aggregates controlled by the geomagnetic field. These domains either slowly emit biophotons or perform specific biochemical work at their target." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22073975 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22073975 "Though often criticised, many experiments with remedies diluted beyond Avogadro's number demonstrate specific effects." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22073975 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22073975 WOW - seems to be a lot of evidence to support homeopathy, too bad it's not well known (or rather denied/suppressed through fear!) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21962203 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21962203 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21962202 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21962202 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=homeopathy http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=homeopathy
  - jballanc 15y ago
    All of the links you provided (except for the last) are articles published in one of two journals: "The journal of alternative and complementary medicine : research on paradigm, practice, and policy" or "Homeopathy". Do you have any links to peer-reviewed research published in a first (Science, Nature, Cell, PNAS) or second-tier biomedical research journal? I mean, I regularly publish "The Journal of Cryptozoology and Mythical Beasts I Wish Were Real", but that doesn't really mean anything...
    - adrianwaj 15y ago
      See who's funding or advertising in a publication and it'll give you a pretty good idea of what to expect and what not to expect. The onus of proof against homeopathy is on you, I feel. Add: Google CSE on those publications http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=007606573058381115019%3A5j96qlewfp4 http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=007606573058381115019%3A5j... but the container implies the content..
      - jballanc 15y ago
        Quantum mechanics, statistical thermodynamics, and the ergodic theory preclude the possibility of water "remembering" a molecule which was present previously but is no longer in solution. Forget big pharma...what do you think is more likely: that there is some as-yet-undiscovered fundamental principle of physics that allows homeopathy to work, or that practitioners of homeopathy are playing on the well documented and sometimes surprisingly strong placebo effect?
        adrianwaj 15y ago
        It works sometimes through the remembering (and syncing the patient's body to it) of an unknown mechanism, sometimes the placebo and sometimes both (I also think it fails badly too). Homeopathy is supposed to be vibrational medicine. I do think it will be vindicated the better our scientific instruments become (it seems an inexact science, shelved, but with the possibility of a renaissance.) Also, there'd be well produced dilutions and poorly produced ones, and some people are more sensitive and open to such approaches. Placebo effect works in conventional medicine too. The body can overreact to a virus, it can overreact to a dilution: in fact that's what it would be doing wouldn't it.. it's a complete overreaction to the shadow of a substance. Ironically, is that so different to a placebo cure anyhow?

Vaccines and drug treatments are two different avenues of attack. The primary purpose of a vaccine is to prevent infection. Certain vaccines, if administered immediately post-exposure, can have some use as treatment, but they are generally used to prevent the initial infection. If you were to become infected, the first route for attack would be neuraminidase inhibitors. There are two widely available kinds of these drugs, and so far they have proven mostly effective against H5N1. There is the possibility for resistance to develop, but so far they do work. If they prove to not work, then (and I am not a doctor, so don't quote me) I imagine the recommended treatment would be high-dose steroids coupled with antibiotics. This is the generic treatment for problematic inflammation. If this treatment proved insufficient, then as a last resort you might try immune-suppressive therapies, but as far as I know that route is largely untested in the field. The bigger point, though, is that modern medicine has many tools in its toolbox, and homeopathy is definitely not one of them. It has never been proven to have any real effect in any sort of rigorous trial. In contrast, all of the other items I listed above (vaccine, neuraminidase inhibitor, steroid, immune-suppressive) have all been extensively tested and verified to be effective.

adrianwaj 15y ago
"Homeopathic therapy was found to be useful in relieving menopausal distressing symptoms such as hot flashes, night sweats, anxiety, palpitation, depression, insomnia, and so on. This study proves the usefulness of homeopathic medicines in relieving DDCY." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22087613 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22087613 "A simple description is provided of the process of potentization in homeopathic dilutions. With the exception of minor details, this simple model replicates the results previously obtained from a more complex model. While excited states are short lived in isolated molecules, they become long lived in nanodomains that form coherent cooperative aggregates controlled by the geomagnetic field. These domains either slowly emit biophotons or perform specific biochemical work at their target." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22073975 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22073975 "Though often criticised, many experiments with remedies diluted beyond Avogadro's number demonstrate specific effects." http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22073975 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22073975 WOW - seems to be a lot of evidence to support homeopathy, too bad it's not well known (or rather denied/suppressed through fear!) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21962203 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21962203 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21962202 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21962202 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=homeopathy http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=homeopathy
- jballanc 15y ago
  All of the links you provided (except for the last) are articles published in one of two journals: "The journal of alternative and complementary medicine : research on paradigm, practice, and policy" or "Homeopathy". Do you have any links to peer-reviewed research published in a first (Science, Nature, Cell, PNAS) or second-tier biomedical research journal? I mean, I regularly publish "The Journal of Cryptozoology and Mythical Beasts I Wish Were Real", but that doesn't really mean anything...
  - adrianwaj 15y ago
    See who's funding or advertising in a publication and it'll give you a pretty good idea of what to expect and what not to expect. The onus of proof against homeopathy is on you, I feel. Add: Google CSE on those publications http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=007606573058381115019%3A5j96qlewfp4 http://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=007606573058381115019%3A5j... but the container implies the content..
    - jballanc 15y ago
      Quantum mechanics, statistical thermodynamics, and the ergodic theory preclude the possibility of water "remembering" a molecule which was present previously but is no longer in solution. Forget big pharma...what do you think is more likely: that there is some as-yet-undiscovered fundamental principle of physics that allows homeopathy to work, or that practitioners of homeopathy are playing on the well documented and sometimes surprisingly strong placebo effect?
      - adrianwaj 15y ago
        It works sometimes through the remembering (and syncing the patient's body to it) of an unknown mechanism, sometimes the placebo and sometimes both (I also think it fails badly too). Homeopathy is supposed to be vibrational medicine. I do think it will be vindicated the better our scientific instruments become (it seems an inexact science, shelved, but with the possibility of a renaissance.) Also, there'd be well produced dilutions and poorly produced ones, and some people are more sensitive and open to such approaches. Placebo effect works in conventional medicine too. The body can overreact to a virus, it can overreact to a dilution: in fact that's what it would be doing wouldn't it.. it's a complete overreaction to the shadow of a substance. Ironically, is that so different to a placebo cure anyhow?