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> Anecdotally I know plenty of cannabis users, and many of them have obvious mental issues Do they have actual, diagnosed "mental issues", or are you judging t

by ok_dad 4y ago

> Anecdotally I know plenty of cannabis users, and many of them have obvious mental issues Do they have actual, diagnosed "mental issues", or are you judging that some of their behavior is out of the norm for your experience and thus it must be a mental issue?

robocat 4y ago
Yes, I have acquaintances and friends with diagnosed mental illnesses that smoke weed. Also the same but don’t smoke. Yes, I have acquaintances and friends with no psychological problems that smoke weed. Also the same but don’t smoke. Yes, I have acquaintances and friends with “undiagnosed” psychological problems that smoke weed. Also the same but don’t smoke. No, I am not a professional psychological specialist. Yes, I have some experiences to be able to make intelligent “non-professional” judgements about psychological problems. My definition of a psychological problem is one where the problem is seriously negatively affecting ones life, and ones skills are not successfully mitigating or correcting the problem. Environmental issues have a part to play in that. My friends and acquaintances have a wide range of ages. You seem to be fishing for something - perhaps you could have just made your point instead (with caveats). Disclaimer: I don’t use any form of THC or CBD. No strong reasons against it, just not my thing. I certainly have nothing against those that want or need to take THC or CBD.
- ok_dad 4y ago
  Sure, I was fishing. I guess I should have just outright said "Your individual experiences with individuals in a group are invalid when discussing things that can be empirically studied, such as the effects of using cannabis on various groups," and went on with my day. By the way, labeling an undesirable group with "mental issues" has been done many times in the past, sometimes even with "good" intentions.
  - NateEag 4y ago
    Individual experiences aren't invalid. A well-designed study may be more revealing, but the individual experiences are legitimate and should not be discarded solely because studies are possible.
    - robocat 4y ago
      Yeah. A strong enough signal will show in a sample of one. With a correct model, cause and effect can be predicted without any samples (scientific progress often occurs this way). And some people’s intuitions are remarkably astute. Albeit there are a lot of people who have incorrect intuitions and don’t know it. A cannabis example would be strong paranoia after one sesh. More ingrained paranoia (qanon?) that I have seen linked to regular heavy usage doesn’t feel to me to be a stretch of the imagination.

by ok_dad 4y ago

robocat 4y ago

Yes, I have acquaintances and friends with diagnosed mental illnesses that smoke weed. Also the same but don’t smoke. Yes, I have acquaintances and friends with no psychological problems that smoke weed. Also the same but don’t smoke. Yes, I have acquaintances and friends with “undiagnosed” psychological problems that smoke weed. Also the same but don’t smoke. No, I am not a professional psychological specialist. Yes, I have some experiences to be able to make intelligent “non-professional” judgements about psychological problems. My definition of a psychological problem is one where the problem is seriously negatively affecting ones life, and ones skills are not successfully mitigating or correcting the problem. Environmental issues have a part to play in that. My friends and acquaintances have a wide range of ages. You seem to be fishing for something - perhaps you could have just made your point instead (with caveats). Disclaimer: I don’t use any form of THC or CBD. No strong reasons against it, just not my thing. I certainly have nothing against those that want or need to take THC or CBD.

ok_dad 4y ago
Sure, I was fishing. I guess I should have just outright said "Your individual experiences with individuals in a group are invalid when discussing things that can be empirically studied, such as the effects of using cannabis on various groups," and went on with my day. By the way, labeling an undesirable group with "mental issues" has been done many times in the past, sometimes even with "good" intentions.
- NateEag 4y ago
  Individual experiences aren't invalid. A well-designed study may be more revealing, but the individual experiences are legitimate and should not be discarded solely because studies are possible.
  - robocat 4y ago
    Yeah. A strong enough signal will show in a sample of one. With a correct model, cause and effect can be predicted without any samples (scientific progress often occurs this way). And some people’s intuitions are remarkably astute. Albeit there are a lot of people who have incorrect intuitions and don’t know it. A cannabis example would be strong paranoia after one sesh. More ingrained paranoia (qanon?) that I have seen linked to regular heavy usage doesn’t feel to me to be a stretch of the imagination.