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But this is a case in the UK. They have different laws and observe different decorum. Even in the US I would think protesting a funeral to be in extremely poo

by mc32 4y ago

But this is a case in the UK. They have different laws and observe different decorum. Even in the US I would think protesting a funeral to be in extremely poor taste, no matter the target. What’s that Latin phrase about the recently dead?

HideousKojima 4y ago
Yeah but the UK is where you can get arrested for making your girlfriend's pug do a Nazi salute as a joke (but somehow Father Ted doing similar Nazi jokes gets a pass)
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >making your girlfriend's pug do a Nazi salute Wait, what? Pretty sure dogs don't have the anatomical capability to do a nazi salute. At best they can just lift a leg up, but is that really a nazi salute?
  - HideousKojima 4y ago
    For your enlightenment: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Meechan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Meechan
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- gerdesj 4y ago
  Citation needed but I suspect you are probably right about the pug. Father Ted is Irish as in Republic of Ireland as in not UKoGB - we share a very, very strange border. Having said that, Father Ted was turned down by RTE for being too Irish and was eventually financed by the BBC! Thankfully it eventually aired because it is absolutely belting.
  - aembleton 4y ago
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43478925 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43478925
  - rgblambda 4y ago
    Everything about your second paragraph is incorrect. Father Ted was never pitched to RTE. The creators had a prior working relationship with Channel 4 so it was pitched to them, not the BBC. It was produced by Hat Trick Productions, a UK based television production company who also make Have I Got News For You. All indoor scenes were filmed in London with outdoor scenes being filmed in different parts of Ireland. The cast and creators were Irish though.
kingsloi 4y ago
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/03/02/134194791/supreme-court-sides-with-westboro-church-on-funeral-protests https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/03/02/134194791...
- mc32 4y ago
  I mean, the WBC is a well known agitator and not representative of people or even protestors at large. In any case, I contend it's in extremely poor taste and does not help further the cause, and actively creates antipathy.
  - mattnewton 4y ago
    Sure, but talking about the effectiveness of the protest tactic is totally different than whether or not the state should arrest and imprison you for protesting that way.
    - mc32 4y ago
      Other than maths and physics, there is no natural law that says this and that are so and right. People make the laws amd they are not Americans and don't observe our laws. ASBOs were repealed in England but not Scotland; in England they were replaced by new laws (targeting economically disruptive protests, I guess).
    - azernik 4y ago
      United States absolutism about freedom of speech is unusual, even among "Western" democracies.
wutbrodo 4y ago
The article describes an activist who specifically took pains to avoid any disparagement of the outgoing Queen, limiting his protest to the incoming coronation. If that falls under the rule you're describing, doesn't that render it impossible to protest a ceremony, as long as it happens after a funeral? It seems you're defining away the protest of hereditary succession as unacceptably rude?
- brigandish 4y ago
  > limiting his protest to the incoming coronation. The coronation is months away, he was protesting the ascension at the Queen's funeral procession. That does not avoid disparagement of the Queen. I certainly don't think he should be arrested but he's clearly boneheaded. He'll have plenty of time to protest both the ascension and the coronation, of someone who is a much softer target that the Queen, especially considering she's just died. PR own goal if ever there was one. Even Extinction Rebellion have had the good sense to postpone their demos. Is there anyone but the Western Baptist Church who thinks it's a good idea to protest at funerals? They say if you support free speech you'll end up defending vile people, and it's true, he shouldn't be arrested, he should be allowed to say what he said, but he is vile and it was stupid.
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  - wutbrodo 4y ago
    The coronation has not happened, but the proclamation has: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-62873235 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-62873235 Symon Hill was arrested for protesting at the regional proclamation in Oxford: https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/21275817.photo-gallery-proclamation-king-charles-iii-oxford/ https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/21275817.photo-gallery-pro... Where did you get the impression that this was a funeral procession?
    - brigandish 4y ago
      Because, for whatever reason, I read the article then promptly dumped the information about his arrest in Oxford and conflated it with the arrests at the funeral procession on the way to St. Giles' Cathedral. Which means it was still not a coronation, it also wasn't a funeral procession, I still think he's boneheaded but not as much as before or nearly as much as the ones in Edinburgh, and none of them should've been arrested (maybe perhaps the one that shouted at Prince Andrew, but definitely not the others).

by mc32 4y ago

HideousKojima 4y ago

Yeah but the UK is where you can get arrested for making your girlfriend's pug do a Nazi salute as a joke (but somehow Father Ted doing similar Nazi jokes gets a pass)

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>making your girlfriend's pug do a Nazi salute Wait, what? Pretty sure dogs don't have the anatomical capability to do a nazi salute. At best they can just lift a leg up, but is that really a nazi salute?
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  For your enlightenment: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Meechan https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Meechan
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gerdesj 4y ago
Citation needed but I suspect you are probably right about the pug. Father Ted is Irish as in Republic of Ireland as in not UKoGB - we share a very, very strange border. Having said that, Father Ted was turned down by RTE for being too Irish and was eventually financed by the BBC! Thankfully it eventually aired because it is absolutely belting.
- aembleton 4y ago
  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43478925 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-43478925
- rgblambda 4y ago
  Everything about your second paragraph is incorrect. Father Ted was never pitched to RTE. The creators had a prior working relationship with Channel 4 so it was pitched to them, not the BBC. It was produced by Hat Trick Productions, a UK based television production company who also make Have I Got News For You. All indoor scenes were filmed in London with outdoor scenes being filmed in different parts of Ireland. The cast and creators were Irish though.

kingsloi 4y ago

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/03/02/134194791/supreme-court-sides-with-westboro-church-on-funeral-protests https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/03/02/134194791...

mc32 4y ago
I mean, the WBC is a well known agitator and not representative of people or even protestors at large. In any case, I contend it's in extremely poor taste and does not help further the cause, and actively creates antipathy.
- mattnewton 4y ago
  Sure, but talking about the effectiveness of the protest tactic is totally different than whether or not the state should arrest and imprison you for protesting that way.
  - mc32 4y ago
    Other than maths and physics, there is no natural law that says this and that are so and right. People make the laws amd they are not Americans and don't observe our laws. ASBOs were repealed in England but not Scotland; in England they were replaced by new laws (targeting economically disruptive protests, I guess).
  - azernik 4y ago
    United States absolutism about freedom of speech is unusual, even among "Western" democracies.

wutbrodo 4y ago

The article describes an activist who specifically took pains to avoid any disparagement of the outgoing Queen, limiting his protest to the incoming coronation. If that falls under the rule you're describing, doesn't that render it impossible to protest a ceremony, as long as it happens after a funeral? It seems you're defining away the protest of hereditary succession as unacceptably rude?

brigandish 4y ago
> limiting his protest to the incoming coronation. The coronation is months away, he was protesting the ascension at the Queen's funeral procession. That does not avoid disparagement of the Queen. I certainly don't think he should be arrested but he's clearly boneheaded. He'll have plenty of time to protest both the ascension and the coronation, of someone who is a much softer target that the Queen, especially considering she's just died. PR own goal if ever there was one. Even Extinction Rebellion have had the good sense to postpone their demos. Is there anyone but the Western Baptist Church who thinks it's a good idea to protest at funerals? They say if you support free speech you'll end up defending vile people, and it's true, he shouldn't be arrested, he should be allowed to say what he said, but he is vile and it was stupid.
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- wutbrodo 4y ago
  The coronation has not happened, but the proclamation has: https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-62873235 https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-62873235 Symon Hill was arrested for protesting at the regional proclamation in Oxford: https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/21275817.photo-gallery-proclamation-king-charles-iii-oxford/ https://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/21275817.photo-gallery-pro... Where did you get the impression that this was a funeral procession?
  - brigandish 4y ago
    Because, for whatever reason, I read the article then promptly dumped the information about his arrest in Oxford and conflated it with the arrests at the funeral procession on the way to St. Giles' Cathedral. Which means it was still not a coronation, it also wasn't a funeral procession, I still think he's boneheaded but not as much as before or nearly as much as the ones in Edinburgh, and none of them should've been arrested (maybe perhaps the one that shouted at Prince Andrew, but definitely not the others).