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>plant based diets have no negative side effects That's an extremely wild claim you'd better be ready to extensively support.

hombre_fatal 4y ago
How come it’s always meat diets that look the worst in nutritional studies? For example, it’s not oats and broccoli that increase LDL and apoB. Frankly at this point it seems that those who defend dietary meat are more in need of compelling evidence. Meanwhile the study people rally behind does something like replace beef with eggs, notice no worsening of cholesterol, to conclude that beef had no impact on blood lipids, for example.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  You're moving the goal post. Studies making "meat diets" look the worst does not equate to plant diets having "no side effects". Again, if you're making a claim that wild, back it up. >How come it’s always meat diets that look the worst in nutritional studies? Do yourself a favor and look up the actual comparisons. These are not health conscious meat diets vs health conscious vegan diets.
  - neuralRiot 4y ago
    > These are not health conscious meat diets vs health conscious vegan diets. Still, “no side effects” applies.
    - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
      That's not how that works. A few token comparisons detecting no side effects on what is measured does not mean there are zero side effects. "Zero side effects" is something far more difficult to prove and given all the anecdotes running around regarding ex-vegans, people who forget something important on the diet, people feeling better after eliminating a majority of plant-based foods, etc., I wish anyone a lot of luck trying to prove such a bold claim.
      - neuralRiot 4y ago
        We’ve been eating different plants even before we could stand in 2 feet, plants with bad side effects would be known by now, don’t you think?
        BlargMcLarg 4y ago
        Do remind me of all the plants we were eating during winter, and all the plant-only diets people have been following for millennia. If you're trying to use a fallacy to make your argument, at least make a convincing one.
        neuralRiot 4y ago
        Do remind me of side effects of known edible plants. If you wanna be sarcastic at least stay on topic.
        netmonk 4y ago
        Are you even sure that most vegetable you are eating today even existed 500 years ago ?

hombre_fatal 4y ago

How come it’s always meat diets that look the worst in nutritional studies? For example, it’s not oats and broccoli that increase LDL and apoB. Frankly at this point it seems that those who defend dietary meat are more in need of compelling evidence. Meanwhile the study people rally behind does something like replace beef with eggs, notice no worsening of cholesterol, to conclude that beef had no impact on blood lipids, for example.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
You're moving the goal post. Studies making "meat diets" look the worst does not equate to plant diets having "no side effects". Again, if you're making a claim that wild, back it up. >How come it’s always meat diets that look the worst in nutritional studies? Do yourself a favor and look up the actual comparisons. These are not health conscious meat diets vs health conscious vegan diets.
- neuralRiot 4y ago
  > These are not health conscious meat diets vs health conscious vegan diets. Still, “no side effects” applies.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    That's not how that works. A few token comparisons detecting no side effects on what is measured does not mean there are zero side effects. "Zero side effects" is something far more difficult to prove and given all the anecdotes running around regarding ex-vegans, people who forget something important on the diet, people feeling better after eliminating a majority of plant-based foods, etc., I wish anyone a lot of luck trying to prove such a bold claim.
    - neuralRiot 4y ago
      We’ve been eating different plants even before we could stand in 2 feet, plants with bad side effects would be known by now, don’t you think?
      - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
        Do remind me of all the plants we were eating during winter, and all the plant-only diets people have been following for millennia. If you're trying to use a fallacy to make your argument, at least make a convincing one.
        neuralRiot 4y ago
        Do remind me of side effects of known edible plants. If you wanna be sarcastic at least stay on topic.
      - netmonk 4y ago
        Are you even sure that most vegetable you are eating today even existed 500 years ago ?