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> Here we are 25 years after Gatto gave this speech, our society has not "disintegrated" yet It really depends on how you define disintegrated. What he mention

> Here we are 25 years after Gatto gave this speech, our society has not "disintegrated" yet It really depends on how you define disintegrated. What he mentioned has manifested over the last 30 years. Slowly, and quietly. Now, it has come to a head. The lunatics actively arguing parents should have no place in schooling, the obsession of children with transient media figures, the state of school bells determining the bounds of one's life, and the general lack of society to embrace the creativity and novelty of a kid's wild imagination. It was present when I was a kid but much more muted. These days, watching the children in my family grow up, they are far more interested in becoming someone they aren't, rather than the something they want to be. I would consider this disintegration.

thebooktocome 4y ago
This is a laundry list of vices every generation has faulted the youth of the next generation for falling prey to.
- calculatte 4y ago
  When has the government in previous generations officially called concerned parents "domestic terrorists" for voicing their opinions at public meetings? You don't get to wave off everything at whim when there are real concerns out there. A large percentage of the population would disagree with you that "disintegration" is not happening.
  - thebooktocome 4y ago
    Well, that particular incident was not mentioned in the parent comment. But since you’ve brought it up, what else do you call an organized campaign to assault, threaten to assault, vandalize the private property of, threaten the family of, defame, and/or falsely level criminal charges against public officials? https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/01/13/school-board-association-domestic-terrorism/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/01/13/school-b... “At an Illinois school board meeting, a man was arrested after allegedly striking an education official. A school board member in Loudoun County, Va., fielded abusive, profane and threatening emails, Facebook messages and phone calls for months. In Florida, protesters camped out in front of a school board member’s house and burned an “FU” into her lawn with weed killer. They called her a Nazi and a pedophile. Someone falsely reported her as abusing her child to the Florida Department of Children and Families. “Be careful, your mommy hurts little kids!” an activist yelled at her daughter.” (links to incident reports in original source) That’s not merely “voicing their opinions at public meetings.”
    - calculatte 4y ago
      Governments don't make blanket statements about all parents in response to "a man" getting arrested. Activist school boards working with government enforcement are directly destroying lives. This isn't some "old people yelling at clouds" that you make it out to be. There's a reason so many school boards are being flipped. It's a response to the obvious hostility towards parents and people are actually waking up to it. Your downplaying and strawmanning of the situation shows that you actually don't know what's going on. "Father arrested at school board event says they tried covering up his daughter’s rape by man in girl’s bathroom" "Round Rock ISD police force arrests parents at their homes" "Dissident Parents Targeted by School Board in Arizona" Not to mention the numerous instances of school admins promoting discrimination, violence, and their biased political agendas. https://www.projectveritas.com/news/exposed-greenwich-ct-assistant-principals-hiring-discrimination-ensures/ https://www.projectveritas.com/news/exposed-greenwich-ct-ass... https://www.projectveritas.com/news/prestigious-nyc-private-school-director-touts-sneaking-her-political-agenda/ https://www.projectveritas.com/news/prestigious-nyc-private-... https://www.projectveritas.com/news/nyc-assistant-principal-becomes-second-school-official-to-reveal/ https://www.projectveritas.com/news/nyc-assistant-principal-... This isn't education. It's indoctrination backed by authoritarianism.
      - thebooktocome 4y ago
        Project Veritas has been caught lying in their reporting (deceptively editing footage, misrepresenting court records, etc.) too many times for me to take them seriously. Their wikipedia page is particularly damming, every allegation lovingly well-cited: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas
        Test0129 4y ago
        https://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-ag-launches-probe-school-202529435.html https://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-ag-launches-probe-school-... Apparently the vertias video was good enough to get the AG to launch a probe. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/private-school-staffer-placed-on-leave-after-admitting-she-pushes-political-agenda-on-students/ar-AA11v3iT https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/private-school-staffer-pla... Apparently the veritas video was good enough to get this person put on leave. Took me 30 seconds to find these. I have a feeling you're going to shift the goalposts again though.

thebooktocome 4y ago

This is a laundry list of vices every generation has faulted the youth of the next generation for falling prey to.

calculatte 4y ago
When has the government in previous generations officially called concerned parents "domestic terrorists" for voicing their opinions at public meetings? You don't get to wave off everything at whim when there are real concerns out there. A large percentage of the population would disagree with you that "disintegration" is not happening.
- thebooktocome 4y ago
  Well, that particular incident was not mentioned in the parent comment. But since you’ve brought it up, what else do you call an organized campaign to assault, threaten to assault, vandalize the private property of, threaten the family of, defame, and/or falsely level criminal charges against public officials? https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/01/13/school-board-association-domestic-terrorism/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/01/13/school-b... “At an Illinois school board meeting, a man was arrested after allegedly striking an education official. A school board member in Loudoun County, Va., fielded abusive, profane and threatening emails, Facebook messages and phone calls for months. In Florida, protesters camped out in front of a school board member’s house and burned an “FU” into her lawn with weed killer. They called her a Nazi and a pedophile. Someone falsely reported her as abusing her child to the Florida Department of Children and Families. “Be careful, your mommy hurts little kids!” an activist yelled at her daughter.” (links to incident reports in original source) That’s not merely “voicing their opinions at public meetings.”
  - calculatte 4y ago
    Governments don't make blanket statements about all parents in response to "a man" getting arrested. Activist school boards working with government enforcement are directly destroying lives. This isn't some "old people yelling at clouds" that you make it out to be. There's a reason so many school boards are being flipped. It's a response to the obvious hostility towards parents and people are actually waking up to it. Your downplaying and strawmanning of the situation shows that you actually don't know what's going on. "Father arrested at school board event says they tried covering up his daughter’s rape by man in girl’s bathroom" "Round Rock ISD police force arrests parents at their homes" "Dissident Parents Targeted by School Board in Arizona" Not to mention the numerous instances of school admins promoting discrimination, violence, and their biased political agendas. https://www.projectveritas.com/news/exposed-greenwich-ct-assistant-principals-hiring-discrimination-ensures/ https://www.projectveritas.com/news/exposed-greenwich-ct-ass... https://www.projectveritas.com/news/prestigious-nyc-private-school-director-touts-sneaking-her-political-agenda/ https://www.projectveritas.com/news/prestigious-nyc-private-... https://www.projectveritas.com/news/nyc-assistant-principal-becomes-second-school-official-to-reveal/ https://www.projectveritas.com/news/nyc-assistant-principal-... This isn't education. It's indoctrination backed by authoritarianism.
    - thebooktocome 4y ago
      Project Veritas has been caught lying in their reporting (deceptively editing footage, misrepresenting court records, etc.) too many times for me to take them seriously. Their wikipedia page is particularly damming, every allegation lovingly well-cited: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas
      - Test0129 4y ago
        https://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-ag-launches-probe-school-202529435.html https://news.yahoo.com/connecticut-ag-launches-probe-school-... Apparently the vertias video was good enough to get the AG to launch a probe. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/private-school-staffer-placed-on-leave-after-admitting-she-pushes-political-agenda-on-students/ar-AA11v3iT https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/private-school-staffer-pla... Apparently the veritas video was good enough to get this person put on leave. Took me 30 seconds to find these. I have a feeling you're going to shift the goalposts again though.