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> For example if everyone ate say 50% less meat we'd make a noticeable impact on climate change. In cold climate there are no vegetarians for a reason. Less me

> For example if everyone ate say 50% less meat we'd make a noticeable impact on climate change. In cold climate there are no vegetarians for a reason. Less meat consumption during cold weather means less work and more eating sessions. All that ends up in less quality of life and desire to move to warmer places. > to avoid animal suffering. Any researches about animal suffering? How does it measure? Maybe there are some ways to decrease animal suffering without decreasing meat consumption?

AlexandrB 4y ago
> In cold climate there are no vegetarians for a reason. Less meat consumption during cold weather means less work and more eating sessions. All that ends up in less quality of life and desire to move to warmer places. I'm not sure how this tracks. We're not chopping wood or hunting and foraging every day anymore. Why is high caloric density important if you work in an office (or even from home) in Anchorage, AK?
- eimrine 4y ago
  > Why is high caloric density important if you work in an office Because I do not work in an office :-) And sometimes I use to chop woods for heating myself.
  - pwpw 4y ago
    I chop wood and don’t eat meat. When I’m playing tennis, I consume lots of calories to provide the energy to compete. I don’t see how your conclusion that eating lots of meat every day is necessary when you sometimes don’t work in an office and sometimes chop wood logically follows.
    - eimrine 4y ago
      This is just my anecdotal evidence. I can not feel good at that times when I do not work in the office (my non-office job is welding which is sometimes better to perform not in building to prevent breathing with chemicals). I tried a lot of really strange things like consume more than 1kg of sugar per day or to drink a sunflower oil to get rid of hunger quickly, but nothing can replace meat for me, especially in cold part of year, which in my home has already started. Either I eat meat at least 2 times per day or I feel hungry and perform a poor quantity of results.
neuralRiot 4y ago
> Maybe there are some ways to decrease animal suffering without decreasing meat consumption? Please tell me it’s a sarcastic response. Sometimes i find hard to understand people. Even if studies are off, plant based diets have no negative side effects, can be cheaper, have positive environmental impact, reduce animal cruelty, people still want to find a “yeah but about...” honestly it is mind boggling.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  >plant based diets have no negative side effects That's an extremely wild claim you'd better be ready to extensively support.
  - hombre_fatal 4y ago
    How come it’s always meat diets that look the worst in nutritional studies? For example, it’s not oats and broccoli that increase LDL and apoB. Frankly at this point it seems that those who defend dietary meat are more in need of compelling evidence. Meanwhile the study people rally behind does something like replace beef with eggs, notice no worsening of cholesterol, to conclude that beef had no impact on blood lipids, for example.
    - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
      You're moving the goal post. Studies making "meat diets" look the worst does not equate to plant diets having "no side effects". Again, if you're making a claim that wild, back it up. >How come it’s always meat diets that look the worst in nutritional studies? Do yourself a favor and look up the actual comparisons. These are not health conscious meat diets vs health conscious vegan diets.
      - neuralRiot 4y ago
        > These are not health conscious meat diets vs health conscious vegan diets. Still, “no side effects” applies.
adrian_b 4y ago
There were no vegetarians in cold climate because there were no vegetable crops there, so there was little choice but eating meat. The need for extra energy in cold climate is satisfied by eating more fat, not by extra lean meat. Traditionally that was animal fat, but while there are some bad vegetable fat sources there are also vegetable fat sources that are better than the animal fat sources, e.g. olive oil or high oleic sunflower oil or avocado or various kinds of nuts that are high in oleic acid, for example cashews, almonds, hazelnuts, pistachios, peanuts. Adding a generous amount of olive oil to food can provide enough energy for the coldest climate at a lower cost than using animal fat, while also being healthier.

AlexandrB 4y ago

> In cold climate there are no vegetarians for a reason. Less meat consumption during cold weather means less work and more eating sessions. All that ends up in less quality of life and desire to move to warmer places. I'm not sure how this tracks. We're not chopping wood or hunting and foraging every day anymore. Why is high caloric density important if you work in an office (or even from home) in Anchorage, AK?

eimrine 4y ago
> Why is high caloric density important if you work in an office Because I do not work in an office :-) And sometimes I use to chop woods for heating myself.
- pwpw 4y ago
  I chop wood and don’t eat meat. When I’m playing tennis, I consume lots of calories to provide the energy to compete. I don’t see how your conclusion that eating lots of meat every day is necessary when you sometimes don’t work in an office and sometimes chop wood logically follows.
  - eimrine 4y ago
    This is just my anecdotal evidence. I can not feel good at that times when I do not work in the office (my non-office job is welding which is sometimes better to perform not in building to prevent breathing with chemicals). I tried a lot of really strange things like consume more than 1kg of sugar per day or to drink a sunflower oil to get rid of hunger quickly, but nothing can replace meat for me, especially in cold part of year, which in my home has already started. Either I eat meat at least 2 times per day or I feel hungry and perform a poor quantity of results.

neuralRiot 4y ago

> Maybe there are some ways to decrease animal suffering without decreasing meat consumption? Please tell me it’s a sarcastic response. Sometimes i find hard to understand people. Even if studies are off, plant based diets have no negative side effects, can be cheaper, have positive environmental impact, reduce animal cruelty, people still want to find a “yeah but about...” honestly it is mind boggling.

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
>plant based diets have no negative side effects That's an extremely wild claim you'd better be ready to extensively support.
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  How come it’s always meat diets that look the worst in nutritional studies? For example, it’s not oats and broccoli that increase LDL and apoB. Frankly at this point it seems that those who defend dietary meat are more in need of compelling evidence. Meanwhile the study people rally behind does something like replace beef with eggs, notice no worsening of cholesterol, to conclude that beef had no impact on blood lipids, for example.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    You're moving the goal post. Studies making "meat diets" look the worst does not equate to plant diets having "no side effects". Again, if you're making a claim that wild, back it up. >How come it’s always meat diets that look the worst in nutritional studies? Do yourself a favor and look up the actual comparisons. These are not health conscious meat diets vs health conscious vegan diets.
    - neuralRiot 4y ago
      > These are not health conscious meat diets vs health conscious vegan diets. Still, “no side effects” applies.

adrian_b 4y ago

There were no vegetarians in cold climate because there were no vegetable crops there, so there was little choice but eating meat. The need for extra energy in cold climate is satisfied by eating more fat, not by extra lean meat. Traditionally that was animal fat, but while there are some bad vegetable fat sources there are also vegetable fat sources that are better than the animal fat sources, e.g. olive oil or high oleic sunflower oil or avocado or various kinds of nuts that are high in oleic acid, for example cashews, almonds, hazelnuts, pistachios, peanuts. Adding a generous amount of olive oil to food can provide enough energy for the coldest climate at a lower cost than using animal fat, while also being healthier.