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> And to push for individualistic behavior when you think that your society is disintegrating seems to just accelerate any problems that may exists. This can

> And to push for individualistic behavior when you think that your society is disintegrating seems to just accelerate any problems that may exists. This can not be understated. Coming from a country that would be considered "Eastern European", there is an astounding amount of individualism pushed in schools, and yet, it seems that the most prosperous and "equal" countries take the opposite approach. What I cherish the most from my time in Scandinavian Universities is how much emphasis there is on collective work. Those who work in group will always achieve and learn a lot more than those who do it alone, unless the latter are truly exceptional.

giantg2 4y ago
"Those who work in group will always achieve and learn a lot more than those who do it alone, unless the latter are truly exceptional." Many people in the US who have done group projects at school will disagree - you typically end up with dead weight or overbearing partners (it tends to get better when you get out of the compulsory school years). With the right partners, I completely agree though. In my undergrad and even moreso in my masters I had some good groups.
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  I'd wager that it is the sense of individualism that causes the feeling of carrying dead weight as the dead weight does not feel any sense of responsibility towards the group. Given what I have read about such individualistic behaviour, I am inclined to believe that public transportation as found in Denmark wouldn't function in the US simply because it requires a form of trust between citizen and state. You just enter the bus / metro / train, you generally don't have to show ticket or anything. You are "caught" however if an inspector happens to be on board and goes for a check. I have had such checks only on the M2 line in Copenhagen (the one from the airport). People just buy the ticket from their phone and understand their responsibilities.
  - giantg2 4y ago
    I think it depends on what we mean for individualism. One can have a strong sense of individualism and still function well in society. An individual can still want to do their part. I think it's mostly a lack of honor or integrity - they'd rather put their name on a project and get credit for the work of others, or get a free ride on the bus. For example, the boy scouts teach integrity, teamwork, and also self-reliance (individualism).
  - yamazakiwi 4y ago
    This exact model is used in my city train / rail system so it is possible in the U.S. I assume it would be more challenging to use this model in our largest Metro areas.
  - Jcowell 4y ago
    This is used in NY for it’s Select Bus Service Lines

giantg2 4y ago

"Those who work in group will always achieve and learn a lot more than those who do it alone, unless the latter are truly exceptional." Many people in the US who have done group projects at school will disagree - you typically end up with dead weight or overbearing partners (it tends to get better when you get out of the compulsory school years). With the right partners, I completely agree though. In my undergrad and even moreso in my masters I had some good groups.

PartiallyTyped 4y ago
I'd wager that it is the sense of individualism that causes the feeling of carrying dead weight as the dead weight does not feel any sense of responsibility towards the group. Given what I have read about such individualistic behaviour, I am inclined to believe that public transportation as found in Denmark wouldn't function in the US simply because it requires a form of trust between citizen and state. You just enter the bus / metro / train, you generally don't have to show ticket or anything. You are "caught" however if an inspector happens to be on board and goes for a check. I have had such checks only on the M2 line in Copenhagen (the one from the airport). People just buy the ticket from their phone and understand their responsibilities.
- giantg2 4y ago
  I think it depends on what we mean for individualism. One can have a strong sense of individualism and still function well in society. An individual can still want to do their part. I think it's mostly a lack of honor or integrity - they'd rather put their name on a project and get credit for the work of others, or get a free ride on the bus. For example, the boy scouts teach integrity, teamwork, and also self-reliance (individualism).
- yamazakiwi 4y ago
  This exact model is used in my city train / rail system so it is possible in the U.S. I assume it would be more challenging to use this model in our largest Metro areas.
- Jcowell 4y ago
  This is used in NY for it’s Select Bus Service Lines