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The Dutch are mere mortals too. Cargo e bikes solve at least 3 of those problems. Public transport solves the rest. Being healthy is a result of your environme

The Dutch are mere mortals too. Cargo e bikes solve at least 3 of those problems. Public transport solves the rest. Being healthy is a result of your environment, not the other way around. The transition sucks but you gotta do it.

throwaway894345 4y ago
> The Dutch are mere mortals too. Yes and 80% of Dutch households have cars, and those who don't own cars aren't foregoing them voluntarily--rather, they have health or financial problems that prevent them from driving (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358798695_The_widespread_car_ownership_in_the_Netherlands https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358798695_The_wides...). Of the remainder of the voluntarily carless, I suspect that's biased pretty heavily toward the young, healthy, and childless. Moreover, car ownership in the Netherlands is increasing--in 1992, 42% of Dutch households were car-free. > Cargo e bikes solve at least 3 of those problems. Public transport solves the rest. Maybe theoretically, but not in practice. You're probably not hauling furniture by ebike or by public transit, and for most people there are so many individually-rare-but-collectively-common things like this that it's not practical to rent a car twice a week. > Being healthy is a result of your environment, not the other way around. No one claimed that your environment is the result of being healthy... > The transition sucks but you gotta do it. You don't have to be car-less to be healthy. This is silly. Note also that rejecting the anti-car extreme doesn't imply opposition to more public transportation, cycling infrastructure, or changes to make cities more walkable.
- amrocha 4y ago
  Nice straw man. I'm sure you can refute your own arguments if you gave it an honest try.
  - throwaway894345 4y ago
    I didn't invoke a straw man, I literally quoted your arguments and cited research. Falsely claiming "straw man" is the cringiest way to concede a debate.

throwaway894345 4y ago

> The Dutch are mere mortals too. Yes and 80% of Dutch households have cars, and those who don't own cars aren't foregoing them voluntarily--rather, they have health or financial problems that prevent them from driving (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358798695_The_widespread_car_ownership_in_the_Netherlands https://www.researchgate.net/publication/358798695_The_wides...). Of the remainder of the voluntarily carless, I suspect that's biased pretty heavily toward the young, healthy, and childless. Moreover, car ownership in the Netherlands is increasing--in 1992, 42% of Dutch households were car-free. > Cargo e bikes solve at least 3 of those problems. Public transport solves the rest. Maybe theoretically, but not in practice. You're probably not hauling furniture by ebike or by public transit, and for most people there are so many individually-rare-but-collectively-common things like this that it's not practical to rent a car twice a week. > Being healthy is a result of your environment, not the other way around. No one claimed that your environment is the result of being healthy... > The transition sucks but you gotta do it. You don't have to be car-less to be healthy. This is silly. Note also that rejecting the anti-car extreme doesn't imply opposition to more public transportation, cycling infrastructure, or changes to make cities more walkable.

amrocha 4y ago
Nice straw man. I'm sure you can refute your own arguments if you gave it an honest try.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  I didn't invoke a straw man, I literally quoted your arguments and cited research. Falsely claiming "straw man" is the cringiest way to concede a debate.