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This shares the benefit of "looping" with homeschooling, which is sort of an extreme form of looping I guess. Homeschooled kids benefit tremendously from having

This shares the benefit of "looping" with homeschooling, which is sort of an extreme form of looping I guess. Homeschooled kids benefit tremendously from having a teacher who is _incredibly_ familiar with their previous experiences and learnings, which the teacher can draw upon to teach new ideas. If a teacher has an even slightly better understanding of what their children already know, they are set up to succeed at helping them learn new things. It's not the only factor that matters, but it is a big deal especially for earlier grades.

dangerwill 4y ago
Gonna need some citations on homeschool effectiveness (not written by homeschool advocates) because in my experience, I knew 1 parent that actually was knowledgable and engaged enough to provide the kind of teaching you are talking about. I have known several that homeschooled for religious reasons or "scared of public school and couldn't get into private school" reasons and the kids were clearly educationally behind.
- AnimalMuppet 4y ago
  Yes, data would be good. To answer your anecdata: There are kids in public school who are clearly behind, too. In fact, I wonder (also without data!) if the same kids from the same families would be behind in public school. And then I wonder whether they'd be more behind or less behind. As I said, no data. But it takes heroic amazingness from the school to make up for a badly-screwed-up home environment. And that's really depressing, because I don't know of any policy that can fix badly-screwed-up home environments. You could take the kids, and we do if it's bad enough, but the bar for that is very high, and rightly so.
- iambateman 4y ago
  I don’t have an academic paper which, you’re right, this deserves. As far as it goes, I was personally homeschooled 1-5th and had a really positive educational experience. I certainly know the kind of people you are talking about, though.
- barry-cotter 4y ago
  School just doesn’t do very much for learning so homeschool can’t have much of a negative effect. Unschooled children, those who receive no formal, systematic instruction whatever, are only one grade level behind their traditionally schooled peers. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Odette-Gould/publication/232544669_The_Impact_of_Schooling_on_Academic_Achievement_Evidence_From_Homeschooled_and_Traditionally_Schooled_Students/links/0c9605228ea23bc4bc000000/The-Impact-of-Schooling-on-Academic-Achievement-Evidence-From-Homeschooled-and-Traditionally-Schooled-Students.pdf?origin=publication_detail https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Odette-Gould/publicatio...
- StanislavPetrov 4y ago
  >kids were clearly educationally behind. Educationally behind who? In New York less than half of students met "proficiency standards" in English and Math in 2019 - before the pandemic when NYC schools were closed for over a year. A look at how incredibly low a bar it is to be considered "proficient" makes this stat much worse than it looks at first glance. A functionally illiterate homeschooled child who was unable to do basic math would be on the same level at ~60% of New York public school students. http://www.nysed.gov/news/2019/state-education-department-releases-spring-2019-grades-3-8-ela-math-assessment-results http://www.nysed.gov/news/2019/state-education-department-re...

dangerwill 4y ago

Gonna need some citations on homeschool effectiveness (not written by homeschool advocates) because in my experience, I knew 1 parent that actually was knowledgable and engaged enough to provide the kind of teaching you are talking about. I have known several that homeschooled for religious reasons or "scared of public school and couldn't get into private school" reasons and the kids were clearly educationally behind.

AnimalMuppet 4y ago
Yes, data would be good. To answer your anecdata: There are kids in public school who are clearly behind, too. In fact, I wonder (also without data!) if the same kids from the same families would be behind in public school. And then I wonder whether they'd be more behind or less behind. As I said, no data. But it takes heroic amazingness from the school to make up for a badly-screwed-up home environment. And that's really depressing, because I don't know of any policy that can fix badly-screwed-up home environments. You could take the kids, and we do if it's bad enough, but the bar for that is very high, and rightly so.
iambateman 4y ago
I don’t have an academic paper which, you’re right, this deserves. As far as it goes, I was personally homeschooled 1-5th and had a really positive educational experience. I certainly know the kind of people you are talking about, though.
barry-cotter 4y ago
School just doesn’t do very much for learning so homeschool can’t have much of a negative effect. Unschooled children, those who receive no formal, systematic instruction whatever, are only one grade level behind their traditionally schooled peers. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Odette-Gould/publication/232544669_The_Impact_of_Schooling_on_Academic_Achievement_Evidence_From_Homeschooled_and_Traditionally_Schooled_Students/links/0c9605228ea23bc4bc000000/The-Impact-of-Schooling-on-Academic-Achievement-Evidence-From-Homeschooled-and-Traditionally-Schooled-Students.pdf?origin=publication_detail https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Odette-Gould/publicatio...
StanislavPetrov 4y ago
>kids were clearly educationally behind. Educationally behind who? In New York less than half of students met "proficiency standards" in English and Math in 2019 - before the pandemic when NYC schools were closed for over a year. A look at how incredibly low a bar it is to be considered "proficient" makes this stat much worse than it looks at first glance. A functionally illiterate homeschooled child who was unable to do basic math would be on the same level at ~60% of New York public school students. http://www.nysed.gov/news/2019/state-education-department-releases-spring-2019-grades-3-8-ela-math-assessment-results http://www.nysed.gov/news/2019/state-education-department-re...