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AMD announces 5.7ghz Ryzen 9 7950X chip retailing for $699 this month, meanwhile Intel hints at vapor chip that theoretically might hit 6ghz with no release dat
by jscipione 4y ago
AMD announces 5.7ghz Ryzen 9 7950X chip retailing for $699 this month, meanwhile Intel hints at vapor chip that theoretically might hit 6ghz with no release date and no price. This stinks of desperation on Intel’s part.
- stardude900 4y agoSure does... also the Intel announcement is on the same date that AMD releases their new chips.
- hulitu 4y agoIntel was always good at marketing. Performance (buck for buck) on the other hand ...
- bradhe 4y agoThat was exactly my thought. It's just a bit sad to watch Intel fail so badly here. I was a big Intel fan for a long time.
- Latty 4y agoI hope Intel can keep up, actual competition has been so great. It does feel like they are really struggling with their process issues though.
- Night_Thastus 4y agoI think we're going to see major shakeups over the next ~10 years from both companies. Old models of design are quickly reaching their limits. Heterogeneous cores and multi-die designs are just the start. It's an exciting time!
- throwaway0x7E6 4y agoreaching the performance limit would be a blessing in disguise
- NoToP 4y agoFactoring in say 10x-100x repetition code for for error correction, existing silicon tech is already damn near to the launder limit. General purpose CPU and GPU architecture has some data flow logistics it could optimize, but ASICs are pretty much at the performance limit already.
- nashashmi 4y agoPlease have some sympathy for the pathetic workers who have to work overtime to keep up because management failed to keep progress for the new and exciting. Sometimes this competition thing is a distraction. Like now there is an emergency meeting for the three year roadmap to shrink to 1 year and with less innovation than they planned it to have, and the actual three year roadmap becomes 5 years because of wasted energy for short term gains.
- mtoner23 4y agoThats how business works. If people dont want to work at intel because of this thats ok too. Its the society we created and its worked out really well in the CPU industry for 50+ years now.
- nashashmi 4y agoI know that is how some businesses work. But workers have more sight. Some would pander for the philosophy of Apple, don't compete just innovate. And sometimes they get that opportunity. But other times when competing, long visions lose. And so do the workers who have them. This is detrimental. I am not ever working for something like this I hope, but I do see others work in this way. And sometimes they are gifted yet unable to make that gift work.
- petee 4y agoSounds ripe for a union
- 7speter 4y agoIt just seems like they are struggling as a company.
- blibble 4y agothat 6ghz intel chip will probably use at least 300W too (12900ks uses 274W)
- booi 4y agothat's actually a feature since you don't need to have a space heater anymore. checkmate
- spartanatreyu 4y agoYou won't need to worry about the heat, since you can just reuse some of the liquid nitrogen that's cooling the chip to allow it to hit 6ghz in the first place.
- pinewurst 4y agoI'm waiting for them to somehow redefine speed, like they redefined production geometries. How fast is it? It's Intel 7.
- jalgos_eminator 4y agoYou laugh, but AMD did that in the mid-2000's with the Athlon XP series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_XP_processors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_Athlon_XP_processo... The numbers used to match their clock speed (ex. Athlon 1000 was 1000 MHz), but that changed with the XP models (ex. Athlon XP 2400+ was 2000 MHz).
- fortran77 4y agoAnd Apple started it with their Megahertz Myth campaign.
- 7speter 4y agoI was a kid back then and we had mac labs at school, and those things were always slow or hanging. Maybe because they were imacs? During the second coming of Jobs era, Macs never really blew me away performance wise until the intel transition.
- kalleboo 4y agoIn my experience school computers have always managed to give a terrible impression - our school had Windows PCs and compared to my Mac at home they seemed terrible.
- rzzzt 4y agoThere was an expression floating around for this naming scheme, but I can't remember what it was and don't find any good search results either for my candidates. "Processor/Pentium equivalent rating"? Edit: found it - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_Rating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_Rating
- mhh__ 4y agoRaptor lake engineering samples are already in the hands of people benchmarking them if you know where to look
- timmytokyo 4y agoTo be honest, I'm disappointed by the new Ryzen 7000 series power consumption, enough so that I'll be sticking with my 5000 series CPUs for as long as I can. Not everyone wants their PC to double as a space heater.
- chmod775 4y agoRyzen 7000 has better performance per watt though. If you don't want a space heater you might be better served to get a Ryzen 7000 and limit the TDP to whatever you're comfortable with. It'll be faster than a Ryzen 5000 drawing the same amount of power: according to AMD the Ryzen 7000 will be "up to 49 percent"[1] faster at the same power draw. [1] https://www.pcworld.com/article/918007/amd-launches-ryzen-7000-with-big-performance-and-low-prices.html https://www.pcworld.com/article/918007/amd-launches-ryzen-70...
- coder543 4y agoPrecisely which reviews have you seen for Ryzen 7000 that paint it as a space heater? The official announcement indicated significantly better power efficiency. AMD claims that if you limit both to a 65W TDP, you'll see 74% better performance on the new generation, but that even at full TDP, the efficiency will be higher. However, I am waiting on the actual reviews... not making multi-year decisions based off of limited, pre-release information. If it is more efficient, then vowing to stick with an older, less efficient product just because it has a lower TDP number on the box doesn't make any sense. Efficiency is the only thing that matters when seeking to avoid a space heater, since the less efficient product will generate more heat for a given amount of work. All of these processors will clock down when idle
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- wmf 4y agoPsychologically it's going to be hard for most people to underclock something they spent hundreds of dollars on.
- whateveracct 4y agoThe pendulum swings yet again. I remember in the 2000s when AMD and ATI were the best buys.
- neogodless 4y agoI'd recommend waiting for unbiased reviews of actual products, taking into consideration price, performance, and power usage before determining the "best buy" of the upcoming generation of products. Though I hope the pendulum is swinging enough to keep driving the improvements. My current desktop CPU is absolute overkill while sipping relatively little power during my light usage.
- RadixDLT 4y agodrum roll please