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> interactive fiction (IF) == text adventure games in the style of 1980s Infocom. Not necessarily, infocom style games are just a subgenre of modern interactiv

> interactive fiction (IF) == text adventure games in the style of 1980s Infocom. Not necessarily, infocom style games are just a subgenre of modern interactive fiction nowadays. Infocom style games are enormous and full of obscure puzzles, mazes, etc. that require hours and hours of gameplay. IF has branched out a lot and most stories are written to be completed in less than an hour and typically have less infuriating puzzles or mazes, along with complete help and hint systems. There are tons of award winning IF stories that involve no real combat, puzzles, etc. and are just exploration of interesting environments or talking to characters. Check out some of the winners from the annual IF competition for a great sampling of modern IF: https://ifcomp.org/comp/2021 https://ifcomp.org/comp/2021 Emily Short in particular is someone who really pushes the boundaries of IF, her story Galatea from the early 2000s is a great example of how far beyond Infocom style games IF has gone: https://www.ifwiki.org/Emily_Short https://www.ifwiki.org/Emily_Short and https://ifdb.org/viewgame?id=urxrv27t7qtu52lb https://ifdb.org/viewgame?id=urxrv27t7qtu52lb

the_af 4y ago
Emily Short, Zarf, Adam Cadre. All masters breaking the boundaries of the IF genre. Adam Cadre's Photopia [1] made me choke some tears. His 9:05 [2] is darkly comical, and is fun to explore again once you know what it is about. Zarf's Spider and Web [3] is both a thrilling spy tale and a subversion of text adventure mechanics. For those who are never going to play this game, a minor spoiler. The setting is a fictional Cold War-style spy setting, your "adventure" is you being interviewed by your captor, recounting your story so far; for much of the game, whenever you make a false move -- the kind which would result in your death in a traditional adventure -- your captor will just simply tell you "...except that's not what actually happened, is it?" and rewind the story to the last checkpoint, where something has changed. Then there's Rematch [4]. It's essentially a one-move game. One move -- that is, one complex multi-clause sentence -- and you die, except if you figure it out. And the kinds of things you can do in that one move are very complex! --- [1] Photopia: http://adamcadre.ac/if/photopia.html http://adamcadre.ac/if/photopia.html [2] 9:05: http://adamcadre.ac/if/905.html http://adamcadre.ac/if/905.html [3] Spider and Web: https://eblong.com/zarf/zweb/tangle/ https://eblong.com/zarf/zweb/tangle/ [4] Rematch: https://ifdb.org/viewgame?id=22oqimzgf8snv002 https://ifdb.org/viewgame?id=22oqimzgf8snv002
- Bakary 4y ago
  Varicella is amazing, too. (the game, not the infectious disease)
  - the_af 4y ago
    Yes! I forgot. To be honest, there are too many cool and genre-breaking IF games to list.
    - Bakary 4y ago
      There are two games I have really enjoyed but that I'm unable to find again - A single room game where you have to get rid of your inventory (it's a lot more compelling than it sounds) - Having to figure out a constructed language in a tribal setting to get medicine for your son
      - the_af 4y ago
        Both sound interesting. I've played enough IF to know just "getting rid of your inventory" is a promising starting point!
      - cenazoic 4y ago
        I think the second one is The Gostak, by Carl Muckenhoupt: https://www.ifwiki.org/The_Gostak https://www.ifwiki.org/The_Gostak
        Bakary 4y ago
        I definitely want to play the game you just linked and thanks for alerting me to it. However, in the game I was thinking of, the parser and descriptive text are in English, but characters speak in the constructed language and only respond to it
- olvy0 4y ago
  Spider and Web is such an awesome game. I remember playing it years and years ago, possibly circa 2005, on the bus on my way to my first job, on my old and battered Nokia phone, for which I found a IF interpreter somehow. I remember at one point I managed to overcome a tricky part of the game, then lifted my head and smiled to myself, satisfied. Then I saw that the game printed at me "You smile in the darkness" and I went "wtf". People stared at me. At that time not too many people were busy with their phone during bus rides.

the_af 4y ago

Emily Short, Zarf, Adam Cadre. All masters breaking the boundaries of the IF genre. Adam Cadre's Photopia [1] made me choke some tears. His 9:05 [2] is darkly comical, and is fun to explore again once you know what it is about. Zarf's Spider and Web [3] is both a thrilling spy tale and a subversion of text adventure mechanics. For those who are never going to play this game, a minor spoiler. The setting is a fictional Cold War-style spy setting, your "adventure" is you being interviewed by your captor, recounting your story so far; for much of the game, whenever you make a false move -- the kind which would result in your death in a traditional adventure -- your captor will just simply tell you "...except that's not what actually happened, is it?" and rewind the story to the last checkpoint, where something has changed. Then there's Rematch [4]. It's essentially a one-move game. One move -- that is, one complex multi-clause sentence -- and you die, except if you figure it out. And the kinds of things you can do in that one move are very complex! --- [1] Photopia: http://adamcadre.ac/if/photopia.html http://adamcadre.ac/if/photopia.html [2] 9:05: http://adamcadre.ac/if/905.html http://adamcadre.ac/if/905.html [3] Spider and Web: https://eblong.com/zarf/zweb/tangle/ https://eblong.com/zarf/zweb/tangle/ [4] Rematch: https://ifdb.org/viewgame?id=22oqimzgf8snv002 https://ifdb.org/viewgame?id=22oqimzgf8snv002

Bakary 4y ago
Varicella is amazing, too. (the game, not the infectious disease)
- the_af 4y ago
  Yes! I forgot. To be honest, there are too many cool and genre-breaking IF games to list.
  - Bakary 4y ago
    There are two games I have really enjoyed but that I'm unable to find again - A single room game where you have to get rid of your inventory (it's a lot more compelling than it sounds) - Having to figure out a constructed language in a tribal setting to get medicine for your son
    - the_af 4y ago
      Both sound interesting. I've played enough IF to know just "getting rid of your inventory" is a promising starting point!
    - cenazoic 4y ago
      I think the second one is The Gostak, by Carl Muckenhoupt: https://www.ifwiki.org/The_Gostak https://www.ifwiki.org/The_Gostak
      - Bakary 4y ago
        I definitely want to play the game you just linked and thanks for alerting me to it. However, in the game I was thinking of, the parser and descriptive text are in English, but characters speak in the constructed language and only respond to it
olvy0 4y ago
Spider and Web is such an awesome game. I remember playing it years and years ago, possibly circa 2005, on the bus on my way to my first job, on my old and battered Nokia phone, for which I found a IF interpreter somehow. I remember at one point I managed to overcome a tricky part of the game, then lifted my head and smiled to myself, satisfied. Then I saw that the game printed at me "You smile in the darkness" and I went "wtf". People stared at me. At that time not too many people were busy with their phone during bus rides.