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The rhetoric has shifted in recent years from “equality of opportunity” to “equity”, which is more about equality of outcome. > Equality means each individual

by jwond 4y ago

The rhetoric has shifted in recent years from “equality of opportunity” to “equity”, which is more about equality of outcome. > Equality means each individual or group of people is given the same resources or opportunities. Equity recognizes that each person has different circumstances and allocates the exact resources and opportunities needed to reach an equal outcome. https://onlinepublichealth.gwu.edu/resources/equity-vs-equality/ https://onlinepublichealth.gwu.edu/resources/equity-vs-equal...

ryeguy_24 4y ago
Do any companies subscribe to equity of outcome? I didn't think that was the intent of the word "equity". If that were the case, we wouldn't get promoted or bonuses based on our work, it would just be a timed schedule. I don't think that is what's going on.
- stuckinhell 4y ago
  Thanks to ESG scores, yes they do. I've been under extreme pressure to get my team up to 40% women/nonbinary/lgbt even if their skills are subpar. It's coming from the top down. However, I do get some leeway from HR on their paper education profile and paper experience. I say "paper", because we already fired several people for basically lying on their resume.
  - fi358 4y ago
    How do the HR people even know that if some team members are LGBT? I am a gay and I think it is my private matter and not something I would be interested sharing with for example my employer. I prefer to separate work and my private life in many other issues as well.
    - stuckinhell 4y ago
      On the job application, there are optional questions where you can identify various minority and special statuses.
    - fi358 4y ago
      It sounds very odd to ask about these kind of things during employment. How often do for example LGBT persons provide this kind information in their job application and is it even legal to ask it? And on the other hand, is there anything that prevents you pretending to be a member of some minority? For example, if you can get more easily employed by saying that you are bisexual, is there anything that would prevent you lying? If there isn't, why even bother asking about these kind of things.

by jwond 4y ago

ryeguy_24 4y ago

Do any companies subscribe to equity of outcome? I didn't think that was the intent of the word "equity". If that were the case, we wouldn't get promoted or bonuses based on our work, it would just be a timed schedule. I don't think that is what's going on.

stuckinhell 4y ago
Thanks to ESG scores, yes they do. I've been under extreme pressure to get my team up to 40% women/nonbinary/lgbt even if their skills are subpar. It's coming from the top down. However, I do get some leeway from HR on their paper education profile and paper experience. I say "paper", because we already fired several people for basically lying on their resume.
- fi358 4y ago
  How do the HR people even know that if some team members are LGBT? I am a gay and I think it is my private matter and not something I would be interested sharing with for example my employer. I prefer to separate work and my private life in many other issues as well.
  - stuckinhell 4y ago
    On the job application, there are optional questions where you can identify various minority and special statuses.
  - fi358 4y ago
    It sounds very odd to ask about these kind of things during employment. How often do for example LGBT persons provide this kind information in their job application and is it even legal to ask it? And on the other hand, is there anything that prevents you pretending to be a member of some minority? For example, if you can get more easily employed by saying that you are bisexual, is there anything that would prevent you lying? If there isn't, why even bother asking about these kind of things.