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Me, I just run the bathtub at high heat and full volume for an hour to steam up my bathroom. Sure it costs a few dollars and wastes tons of resources, but I nee

Me, I just run the bathtub at high heat and full volume for an hour to steam up my bathroom. Sure it costs a few dollars and wastes tons of resources, but I need that rushing waterfall ambiance to unwind... This is of course a joke. My point being that wasting resources to clear your mind sounds crazy when it hasn't been normalized for decades. Find another way to build that moat.

towaway15463 4y ago
Tangential but I hate this “wasting resources” narrative that people are adopting. How do you propose we determine what uses of energy and material are a waste? Please provide a detailed list of all of the consequences of enacting such a policy.
- GenerocUsername 4y ago
  Nothing is anything if we just redefine things and argue in circles. I think you would understand waste more if you had to directly work to generate the goods being wasted. Gasoline, electricity, heat, water, wear and tear on parts... It's all effort, and spending it needlessly is wasteful
  - towaway15463 4y ago
    I didn’t say I was opposed to improving efficiency. I’m opposed to people dictating which uses of energy are waste and which aren’t. That’s really the point being made, intentional or not, when you say that uses like commuting are just normalized waste. If that wasn’t your intent then you should argue for a more efficient way of satisfying that demand instead of trying to do away with the demand.
    - GenerocUsername 4y ago
      This thread is that though... The OP above you talks about how much time and energy is spent moving humans to specific locations to do work that doesn't depend on being in those locations. In any world where that had not been normalized it would be considered highly inneficient and similarly wasteful.
lbeltrame 4y ago
Why? It's not a waste of resources for me (I forgot to mention I'm located in Europe and use public transport). It is miles better for my mind (and for me: everyone is different) rather than having lingering thoughts about work (after having a breakdown in 2004 due to burnout). And it would remind me of the lockdown, too. So, for my own personal work life balance commute is better than WFH.

towaway15463 4y ago

Tangential but I hate this “wasting resources” narrative that people are adopting. How do you propose we determine what uses of energy and material are a waste? Please provide a detailed list of all of the consequences of enacting such a policy.

GenerocUsername 4y ago
Nothing is anything if we just redefine things and argue in circles. I think you would understand waste more if you had to directly work to generate the goods being wasted. Gasoline, electricity, heat, water, wear and tear on parts... It's all effort, and spending it needlessly is wasteful
- towaway15463 4y ago
  I didn’t say I was opposed to improving efficiency. I’m opposed to people dictating which uses of energy are waste and which aren’t. That’s really the point being made, intentional or not, when you say that uses like commuting are just normalized waste. If that wasn’t your intent then you should argue for a more efficient way of satisfying that demand instead of trying to do away with the demand.
  - GenerocUsername 4y ago
    This thread is that though... The OP above you talks about how much time and energy is spent moving humans to specific locations to do work that doesn't depend on being in those locations. In any world where that had not been normalized it would be considered highly inneficient and similarly wasteful.

lbeltrame 4y ago

Why? It's not a waste of resources for me (I forgot to mention I'm located in Europe and use public transport). It is miles better for my mind (and for me: everyone is different) rather than having lingering thoughts about work (after having a breakdown in 2004 due to burnout). And it would remind me of the lockdown, too. So, for my own personal work life balance commute is better than WFH.