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Are bikes and self-driving cars mutually exclusive?

by dqpb 4y ago

wbsss4412 4y ago
To a degree, yes. Bikes and cars compete for road space. Though I think the overall point is that self driving cars solve fewer problems than their proponents claim.
- Kim_Bruning 4y ago
  I disagree. A bike lane can transport more people per minute than a car lane. If some proportion of people take the bike lanes, there is more room in the car lanes for traffic too. This makes both modes of transport more effective.
  - wbsss4412 4y ago
    I hear what you’re saying, but the thing is that, while I agree with you on the efficiency point, more room for bikes still means less room for cars in sum. The fact that more bikes on the road means more room for the cars that remain, doesn’t take away from the fact that there are few cars, and less room dedicated cars in total.
    - Kim_Bruning 4y ago
      Ah, technically correct! I was thinking from an investment perspective. Investment across both can be synergistic, so in the end both systems work better.
      - wbsss4412 4y ago
        Absolutely! Unfortunately, from a political perspective, drivers will still to maximize their share of road space, and tend to oppose shifting car lanes to bike lanes. When confronted with the issues that cars cause (pollution, accidents, etc), technology like EVs and self driving gets deployed as a way to suggest that the status quo is fine (despite the fact that plenty of drivers seem to be upset about the EV transition, but I digress).
        Kim_Bruning 4y ago
        So the actual challenge is to convince those car drivers that they really should be pushing for more bike lanes, since it really is in their best interest. O:-) For more arguments than can fit in this margin, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k "The Best Country in the World for Drivers" (edit: +if you don't have time for an entire video, just watch this one traffic light for single example that exemplifies the story: https://youtu.be/SDXB0CY2tSQ?t=437 https://youtu.be/SDXB0CY2tSQ?t=437 ... comments on that video are good too!)

Are bikes and self-driving cars mutually exclusive?

by dqpb 4y ago

Are bikes and self-driving cars mutually exclusive?

To a degree, yes. Bikes and cars compete for road space. Though I think the overall point is that self driving cars solve fewer problems than their proponents claim.

Kim_Bruning 4y ago
I disagree. A bike lane can transport more people per minute than a car lane. If some proportion of people take the bike lanes, there is more room in the car lanes for traffic too. This makes both modes of transport more effective.
- wbsss4412 4y ago
  I hear what you’re saying, but the thing is that, while I agree with you on the efficiency point, more room for bikes still means less room for cars in sum. The fact that more bikes on the road means more room for the cars that remain, doesn’t take away from the fact that there are few cars, and less room dedicated cars in total.
  - Kim_Bruning 4y ago
    Ah, technically correct! I was thinking from an investment perspective. Investment across both can be synergistic, so in the end both systems work better.
    - wbsss4412 4y ago
      Absolutely! Unfortunately, from a political perspective, drivers will still to maximize their share of road space, and tend to oppose shifting car lanes to bike lanes. When confronted with the issues that cars cause (pollution, accidents, etc), technology like EVs and self driving gets deployed as a way to suggest that the status quo is fine (despite the fact that plenty of drivers seem to be upset about the EV transition, but I digress).
      - Kim_Bruning 4y ago
        So the actual challenge is to convince those car drivers that they really should be pushing for more bike lanes, since it really is in their best interest. O:-) For more arguments than can fit in this margin, see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k "The Best Country in the World for Drivers" (edit: +if you don't have time for an entire video, just watch this one traffic light for single example that exemplifies the story: https://youtu.be/SDXB0CY2tSQ?t=437 https://youtu.be/SDXB0CY2tSQ?t=437 ... comments on that video are good too!)