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Going on a tangent I am tired of diversity theater at most companies. You know how I know you don't really care? I look at your C level (excluding Chief Diversi
by qaq 4y ago
Going on a tangent I am tired of diversity theater at most companies. You know how I know you don't really care? I look at your C level (excluding Chief Diversity Officer) and you board.
- sokoloff 4y agoYears and breadth/depth of experience is far from everything, but it's also far from nothing. I'd sort of expect the CxOs at most major companies to be ~25-40 years into their career. I'd therefore expect them to look a lot like the white collar workforce new entrants looked in 1982-1997.
- qaq 4y agoAre you for real largest SV companies can't find a single "diverse" board member or C level but spend 100s of millions evangelizing how they care about diversity and on employee diversity training?
- sokoloff 4y agoIs the hiring task SELECT TOP 1 * FROM Candidates WHERE DIVERSE = 1 ORDER BY Candidate_Value_All_Things_Considered DESC or SELECT TOP 1 * FROM Candidates ORDER BY Candidate_Value_All_Things_Considered DESC There could be valid reasons to employ either strategy, but I suspect most firms are trying to apply the second and your disbelief that the first query returns zero rows is more a mismatch with the firms' hiring strategy than anything else.
- qaq 4y agoI am not suggesting they have to employee 1st or 2nd strategy. But if you do go with the 2nd don't go down the path of by-weekly employee diversity trainings and diversity being the corner stone of your "values" and communication strategy.
- sokoloff 4y agoIMO, diversity contributes to, but does not define (the high-order bit of) Candidate_Value_All_Things_Considered.
- stuckinhell 4y agoThat doesn't make sense in the global marketplace. A ton of american companies have Indian ceos these days.
- sokoloff 4y agoPick an Indian CEO of a major American company. When did they start their career? How many of their fellow Indians started in the same timeframe? (I think "a lot!") Some major tech company Indian CEOs: Sundhar Pichai (Alphabet) ~1993 Satya Nadella (Microsoft) ~1990 Parag Agrawal (Twitter) ~2011 (with PhD, but still an outlier even discounting that) Shantanu Narayen (Adobe) ~1986 Arvind Krishna (IBM) ~1990 Sanjay Mehrotra (Micron) ~1979 Nikesh Arora (Palo Alto) ~1992
- stuckinhell 4y agoMy comment was in reference to yours and the parent combined. It should be easy to look at the C-board and find diversity because in a global economy there are tons of people with the experience as you've proved with your great example.
- sokoloff 4y agoOK, if GGP agrees that those companies are diverse at the top by virtue of those CEOs, then are we all aligned that there's no issue there?
- stuckinhell 4y agoyep
- actually_a_dog 4y agoThis is an extremely shallow and dismissive take, IMO. As someone who has recruited engineers, I can tell you there's a serious diversity problem with the candidate pool itself. At the C-level, it only gets worse. It takes years to even get to the C-suite, which means that white men inherently have a head start, and that it's one of the last places you'd expect to see the effects of diversity initiatives. That isn't to say there aren't companies that have Chief Diversity Officers who aren't taken seriously, but that's a completely different story.
- jaywalk 4y ago> there's a serious diversity problem with the candidate pool itself. So there's too many white men. How is this impacting performance? Or do you just want to check some boxes and be able to say "we've got X% of engineers who aren't white men, look at how diverse we are!"
- actually_a_dog 4y agoIt's not possible to measure a counterfactual where teams at a given company just suddenly become diverse. But, it is pretty well known that there are some advantages to diversity in the workplace. Take, for instance, this reasonably well source article which lists 10 advantages: https://www.talentlyft.com/en/blog/article/244/top-10-benefits-of-diversity-in-the-workplace https://www.talentlyft.com/en/blog/article/244/top-10-benefi... Oh, and it's not just white men. East Asians and those from the Indian subcontinent are also well represented in tech (perhaps over represented -- I'm not sure).
- pcan77 4y ago+1 here, and yeah it's definitely not just white men. Where I work, it's ALL Indian or Asian, you'd be hard pressed to even find white people where I work that are actually in engineering.
- lazyeye 4y agoThey dont want diversity in its true meaning. They just want to hire whoever they want, from wherever they want. And "diversity" is the camouflage they hide behind. https://web.archive.org/web/20220218114915/https://quillette.com/2021/07/21/silicon-valleys-cynical-treatment-of-asian-engineers/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220218114915/https://quillette...
- sol_invictus 4y ago
- qaq 4y agoThey can hire the way they want to hire but should stop the diversity training theater and fill good posting on twitter if they have 0 diversity on the C team they directly hired.
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