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And how do you define artistic value? If you don't even know if an image is generated by an AI or not, what is lost?

by Kiro 4y ago

zasdffaa 4y ago
People who are precious about art will keep defining it away from anything that upsets them.
adrian_b 4y ago
If you just want a beautiful or intriguing image to look at, an AI-generated image may happen to satisfy that need very well. The same need can be satisfied with a photo of some natural things, e.g. living beings or minerals or places. In both cases there is no human to whom one could attribute any artistic merit for the content of the images. Whether an image is beautiful or not is not necessarily correlated with the involvement of a human in its creation, but its origin should nevertheless always be made clear.
- cthalupa 4y ago
  >In both cases there is no human to whom one could attribute any artistic merit for the content of the images. I'm not sure this is fair. How you create your prompt at the start is going to have widely varying results on all sorts of aspects that are choices made by human artists that impact the quality of the final piece. Then there are a variety of methods, including img2img, inpainting and outpainting, etc. In all of these the AI is doing most of the work, inasmuch as putting any pixel in any place, but it's not making all of the decisions. And to be clear, I'm not some sort of AI maximalist - I have a large enough collection of human made artwork that a lot of it is stored in flat files because it wouldn't fit on my walls. I'm not planning on changing that any time soon, and will continue supporting artists I follow. There's a massive flood of crap out there. But some people are consistently making things that look quite nice that aren't just "thing x in setting y, 8k, artstation, by wlop" - there is real thought put into composition, etc. I don't know how much artistic talent this takes - I've spent a couple dozen hours playing with these tools over the past week or two, and I cannot reach the levels these people are - but it's more than none.

And how do you define artistic value? If you don't even know if an image is generated by an AI or not, what is lost?

by Kiro 4y ago

And how do you define artistic value? If you don't even know if an image is generated by an AI or not, what is lost?

zasdffaa 4y ago

People who are precious about art will keep defining it away from anything that upsets them.

adrian_b 4y ago

If you just want a beautiful or intriguing image to look at, an AI-generated image may happen to satisfy that need very well. The same need can be satisfied with a photo of some natural things, e.g. living beings or minerals or places. In both cases there is no human to whom one could attribute any artistic merit for the content of the images. Whether an image is beautiful or not is not necessarily correlated with the involvement of a human in its creation, but its origin should nevertheless always be made clear.

cthalupa 4y ago
>In both cases there is no human to whom one could attribute any artistic merit for the content of the images. I'm not sure this is fair. How you create your prompt at the start is going to have widely varying results on all sorts of aspects that are choices made by human artists that impact the quality of the final piece. Then there are a variety of methods, including img2img, inpainting and outpainting, etc. In all of these the AI is doing most of the work, inasmuch as putting any pixel in any place, but it's not making all of the decisions. And to be clear, I'm not some sort of AI maximalist - I have a large enough collection of human made artwork that a lot of it is stored in flat files because it wouldn't fit on my walls. I'm not planning on changing that any time soon, and will continue supporting artists I follow. There's a massive flood of crap out there. But some people are consistently making things that look quite nice that aren't just "thing x in setting y, 8k, artstation, by wlop" - there is real thought put into composition, etc. I don't know how much artistic talent this takes - I've spent a couple dozen hours playing with these tools over the past week or two, and I cannot reach the levels these people are - but it's more than none.