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No, Tornado Cash is code, not a service operated by any entity. North Korea also used HTTP for navigating websites which helped them hack targets and also laun

No, Tornado Cash is code, not a service operated by any entity. North Korea also used HTTP for navigating websites which helped them hack targets and also launder more money. Banning Tornado Cash is like banning the HTTP specification/IETF for that, instead of going after the group in North Korea doing the money laundering/hacking.

JumpCrisscross 4y ago
> Tornado Cash is code, not a service operated by any entity There was a team of developers earning compensation, hiring and firing. That’s more than just code.
- capableweb 4y ago
  The sanctions are literally added to the OFAC's SDN list, and consists of addresses and contracts. Neither of those things are services or operations, they are quite literally just executable code. See for yourself: https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/recent-actions/20220808 https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/...
  - JumpCrisscross 4y ago
    > consists of addresses and contracts. Neither of those things are services or operations, they are quite literally just executable code Guns are quite literally just atoms. The context matters. Not all guns are illegal. But ones used to commit crimes will get lawfully seized. The code exists in context, and the developers’ actions and intentions are relevant. None of this is novel.
the_snooze 4y ago
>No, Tornado Cash is code, not a service operated by any entity. This is the kind of sociopathic irresponsibility that's too common in tech. "Oh, it's not my fault my lab-grown monster decided to terrorize the countryside!"
- notch656a 4y ago
  OFAC's attacks on privacy are sociopathically irresponsible, and unlike Tornado Cash the federal government has actual monsters with weapons terrorizing the countryside.
  - TremendousJudge 4y ago
    Good thing we have the North Korean government and CP traders on our side, defending our rights.
    - jim_kreggis 4y ago
      Same old pro-mass surveillance arguments, we need it because there are terrorists and pedos

JumpCrisscross 4y ago

> Tornado Cash is code, not a service operated by any entity There was a team of developers earning compensation, hiring and firing. That’s more than just code.

capableweb 4y ago
The sanctions are literally added to the OFAC's SDN list, and consists of addresses and contracts. Neither of those things are services or operations, they are quite literally just executable code. See for yourself: https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/recent-actions/20220808 https://home.treasury.gov/policy-issues/financial-sanctions/...
- JumpCrisscross 4y ago
  > consists of addresses and contracts. Neither of those things are services or operations, they are quite literally just executable code Guns are quite literally just atoms. The context matters. Not all guns are illegal. But ones used to commit crimes will get lawfully seized. The code exists in context, and the developers’ actions and intentions are relevant. None of this is novel.

the_snooze 4y ago

>No, Tornado Cash is code, not a service operated by any entity. This is the kind of sociopathic irresponsibility that's too common in tech. "Oh, it's not my fault my lab-grown monster decided to terrorize the countryside!"

notch656a 4y ago
OFAC's attacks on privacy are sociopathically irresponsible, and unlike Tornado Cash the federal government has actual monsters with weapons terrorizing the countryside.
- TremendousJudge 4y ago
  Good thing we have the North Korean government and CP traders on our side, defending our rights.
  - jim_kreggis 4y ago
    Same old pro-mass surveillance arguments, we need it because there are terrorists and pedos