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This is absolute nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPogdNafgic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPogdNafgic Apple has the led the conversation on priva

by nojito 4y ago

This is absolute nonsense. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPogdNafgic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPogdNafgic Apple has the led the conversation on privacy far before anyone else was. I remember them get vilified from sharing their stance 10 years ago.

alexb_ 4y ago
>Apple has the led the conversation on privacy far before anyone else was. So they can make more money by selling access to a userbase they withhold from all other advertisers. The notion that Apple cares about anything other than the money-printing ability of their phone users is clearly and obviously wrong.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  They've faced down several angry groups of shareholders that demonstrate you are incorrect. Apple as a company has a few values that reduce potential profits, and refuse to violate them. They should probably have more such values, but they definitely "care" about some things other than printing money. I'm all on board the Cynicism Express, but you've gotten on the wrong track here. Apple can be a monster for many, many reasons while still operating based on principles of user privacy.
  - kennend3 4y ago
    This would disagree with you: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/06/technology/apple-ads.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/06/technology/apple-ads.html Why does Apple want to sell more ads? Because money. It’s incredibly profitable for Apple to sell ads when people search the iPhone App Store for fitness apps or read articles in the Apple News app.
    - pwinnski 4y ago
      I am not seeing where I suggested that Apple doesn't want to sell more ads, or that they don't care about money. Yes, it's profitable for Apple to sell ads. They tried once before and failed because they refused to violate personal privacy for ad targeting. It is possible to sell fitness ads when people search for fitness apps, or health ads on articles about health subjects, without violating personal privacy. People are concerned about whether Apple will compromise long-held values because Facebook and Google have worked to pretend there's no difference between selling context-aware ads and selling privacy-invading user-tracking ads. There is a difference, though.
- cruano 4y ago
  Yes, but they care about the long-term money-printing ability of the whole ecosystem, and reputation can very clearly hurt that e.g. Facebook
lioeters 4y ago
> Apple spies on its users, and helps others spy on them. https://stallman.org/apple.html#spying https://stallman.org/apple.html#spying
- jshier 4y ago
  Assertions without evidence can be rejected out of hand.

by nojito 4y ago

alexb_ 4y ago

>Apple has the led the conversation on privacy far before anyone else was. So they can make more money by selling access to a userbase they withhold from all other advertisers. The notion that Apple cares about anything other than the money-printing ability of their phone users is clearly and obviously wrong.

pwinnski 4y ago
They've faced down several angry groups of shareholders that demonstrate you are incorrect. Apple as a company has a few values that reduce potential profits, and refuse to violate them. They should probably have more such values, but they definitely "care" about some things other than printing money. I'm all on board the Cynicism Express, but you've gotten on the wrong track here. Apple can be a monster for many, many reasons while still operating based on principles of user privacy.
- kennend3 4y ago
  This would disagree with you: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/06/technology/apple-ads.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/06/technology/apple-ads.html Why does Apple want to sell more ads? Because money. It’s incredibly profitable for Apple to sell ads when people search the iPhone App Store for fitness apps or read articles in the Apple News app.
  - pwinnski 4y ago
    I am not seeing where I suggested that Apple doesn't want to sell more ads, or that they don't care about money. Yes, it's profitable for Apple to sell ads. They tried once before and failed because they refused to violate personal privacy for ad targeting. It is possible to sell fitness ads when people search for fitness apps, or health ads on articles about health subjects, without violating personal privacy. People are concerned about whether Apple will compromise long-held values because Facebook and Google have worked to pretend there's no difference between selling context-aware ads and selling privacy-invading user-tracking ads. There is a difference, though.
cruano 4y ago
Yes, but they care about the long-term money-printing ability of the whole ecosystem, and reputation can very clearly hurt that e.g. Facebook

lioeters 4y ago

> Apple spies on its users, and helps others spy on them. https://stallman.org/apple.html#spying https://stallman.org/apple.html#spying

jshier 4y ago
Assertions without evidence can be rejected out of hand.