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I'd rather have a monarchy than a president. I live in a country where we have a PM and president too which is elected by the parliament (which means it's just

I'd rather have a monarchy than a president. I live in a country where we have a PM and president too which is elected by the parliament (which means it's just another random career politician so it might as well be Joe from the corner shop). At least to me European constitutional monarchy always symbolized stable democracy. There is a reason you find them in the rich western European countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands etc.

ladberg 4y ago
> At least to me European constitutional monarchy always symbolized stable democracy. I'd say you have the correlation backwards: the current European monarchies only exist because they were smart enough to largely defer governance to democratic processes. The ones that didn't no longer exist.
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  That's what a constitutional monarchy is.
  - ladberg 4y ago
    In practice that may be largely the case but it's not by definition true and still has counterexamples (Bahrain, Kuwait).
Symbiote 4y ago
You've named all the European monarchies other than Luxembourg, Spain and microstates. I don't see that these countries are any more or less stable than Ireland, France, Finland, Portugal, Switzerland, Italy, Austria etc. See map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchies_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchies_in_Europe
- thrownawaysz 4y ago
  Italy has had 69 governments since the end of WW2, they usually don't last more than a year. Not the prime example of stability.
- throw0101c 4y ago
  > I don't see that these countries are any more or less stable than Ireland, France, Finland, Portugal, Switzerland, Italy, Austria etc. One metric: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index#By_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index#By_country Most of the top ones are constitutional monarchies. Next up seem to be countries that have symbolic heads of state, with mostly ceremonial duties (and "reserve" powers like the UK HoS/crown).
  - Symbiote 4y ago
    The list: NO Monarchy NZ Monarchy FI Republic SE Monarchy IS Republic DK Monarchy IE Republic TW Republic CH Republic AU Monarchy NL Monarchy CA Monarchy UY Republic LU Monarchy DE Republic KR Republic JP Monarchy GB Monarchy MU Republic CR Republic AT Republic I call that a draw.
    - throw0101c 4y ago
      ≤2020 most of the top ten was constitutional monarchy, with most republics in the #11-20 range. 2021 seems to have been a bit of a shuffle (e.g., CA not being in the top ten for the first time in a ~decade).
CogitoCogito 4y ago
> There is a reason you find them in the rich western European countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands etc. What reason is that?

ladberg 4y ago

> At least to me European constitutional monarchy always symbolized stable democracy. I'd say you have the correlation backwards: the current European monarchies only exist because they were smart enough to largely defer governance to democratic processes. The ones that didn't no longer exist.

frosted-flakes 4y ago
That's what a constitutional monarchy is.
- ladberg 4y ago
  In practice that may be largely the case but it's not by definition true and still has counterexamples (Bahrain, Kuwait).

Symbiote 4y ago

You've named all the European monarchies other than Luxembourg, Spain and microstates. I don't see that these countries are any more or less stable than Ireland, France, Finland, Portugal, Switzerland, Italy, Austria etc. See map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchies_in_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchies_in_Europe

thrownawaysz 4y ago
Italy has had 69 governments since the end of WW2, they usually don't last more than a year. Not the prime example of stability.
throw0101c 4y ago
> I don't see that these countries are any more or less stable than Ireland, France, Finland, Portugal, Switzerland, Italy, Austria etc. One metric: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index#By_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index#By_country Most of the top ones are constitutional monarchies. Next up seem to be countries that have symbolic heads of state, with mostly ceremonial duties (and "reserve" powers like the UK HoS/crown).
- Symbiote 4y ago
  The list: NO Monarchy NZ Monarchy FI Republic SE Monarchy IS Republic DK Monarchy IE Republic TW Republic CH Republic AU Monarchy NL Monarchy CA Monarchy UY Republic LU Monarchy DE Republic KR Republic JP Monarchy GB Monarchy MU Republic CR Republic AT Republic I call that a draw.
  - throw0101c 4y ago
    ≤2020 most of the top ten was constitutional monarchy, with most republics in the #11-20 range. 2021 seems to have been a bit of a shuffle (e.g., CA not being in the top ten for the first time in a ~decade).

CogitoCogito 4y ago

> There is a reason you find them in the rich western European countries like Denmark, Sweden, Norway, the UK, Belgium, the Netherlands etc. What reason is that?