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In the real world, people want to have their company logo, nine image links to their social media accounts, and a special font for their signature. Then they t

In the real world, people want to have their company logo, nine image links to their social media accounts, and a special font for their signature. Then they top post their entire email to a 257 email chain, so you have to do a kind of inverted scavenger hunt in order to figure out what they're talking about, none of which is improved or aided by the company logo, special font, or image links to nine different social media accounts. And I haven't even gotten to grandma's love of emojis to convey her appreciation of your ribald joke about cookies. Email is a tool, and like all tools, it can be grossly misused and abused.

temp_account_32 4y ago
Yeah but we wouldn't want to cripple it for everyone because there exist some people who abuse it.
lbriner 4y ago
This is a strawman. How does plain text stop people abusing a medium?
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  Their argument is that by not having HTML, people can no longer annoy with their use of HTML. This is a client-side issue, IMO. If someone doesn't like HTML, simply don't enable parsing of it and view the source.
  - jevgeni 4y ago
    People can annoy with plain words just as well.
mrzool 4y ago
1. Emojis are perfectly supported in plain text as long as you’re using Unicode. 2. The bloat/ugliness argument could also be applied to websites, but no one is out there advocating for plain text websites.
- deltarholamda 4y ago
  People who use screen readers would probably be very supportive of plain text Web sites. Web devs usually do a lot of work to make a Web site accessible. In any event, email and Web sites are completely different things. Different communication mediums require different communication styles. Advocating for a certain style on one does not mean you have to also advocate for the same on another. The question would be "does rich-formatted text substantially add to the medium of email," and I think the clear answer to that is "not really." An example of a good use of rich-formatted text contributing to an email would be coloring responses to questions. I see this one a lot, e.g. "my responses are in RED." We had the > quote style for this already, which was pretty good until an email thread started to get really, really deeply nested. In plain-text, at some point, somebody would have to edit the quotes down. There was a marginal advantage to having styled text to clear this up. Was this advantage enough to have to suffer through the majority of emails where this was not required and the formatted text was rife with extraneous or useless widgets?
  - couchand 4y ago
    "my responses in red" assumes a lot about the visual abilities of the reader. I'm sure there's a better way to express this idea.
  - mrzool 4y ago
    > People who use screen readers would probably be very supportive of plain text Web sites. I beg to disagree. Plain text doesn't offer any support for embedded metadata, which are vital for screen readers. With just plain text you have no way to tell apart a header, footer or aside from the main content. > Web devs usually do a lot of work to make a Web site accessible. Yes, they do a lot of work. Mostly using semantic HTML and embedding text descriptions in data attributes. This should go without saying: Plain text is less accessible than well written, semantic HTML, not more.
- kixiQu 4y ago
  > no one is out there advocating for plain text websites. The gemini folks (gemini.circumlunar.space/) basically are, but I think it's a similarly niche / reactionary take.

temp_account_32 4y ago

Yeah but we wouldn't want to cripple it for everyone because there exist some people who abuse it.

lbriner 4y ago

This is a strawman. How does plain text stop people abusing a medium?

hammyhavoc 4y ago
Their argument is that by not having HTML, people can no longer annoy with their use of HTML. This is a client-side issue, IMO. If someone doesn't like HTML, simply don't enable parsing of it and view the source.
- jevgeni 4y ago
  People can annoy with plain words just as well.

mrzool 4y ago

1. Emojis are perfectly supported in plain text as long as you’re using Unicode. 2. The bloat/ugliness argument could also be applied to websites, but no one is out there advocating for plain text websites.

deltarholamda 4y ago
People who use screen readers would probably be very supportive of plain text Web sites. Web devs usually do a lot of work to make a Web site accessible. In any event, email and Web sites are completely different things. Different communication mediums require different communication styles. Advocating for a certain style on one does not mean you have to also advocate for the same on another. The question would be "does rich-formatted text substantially add to the medium of email," and I think the clear answer to that is "not really." An example of a good use of rich-formatted text contributing to an email would be coloring responses to questions. I see this one a lot, e.g. "my responses are in RED." We had the > quote style for this already, which was pretty good until an email thread started to get really, really deeply nested. In plain-text, at some point, somebody would have to edit the quotes down. There was a marginal advantage to having styled text to clear this up. Was this advantage enough to have to suffer through the majority of emails where this was not required and the formatted text was rife with extraneous or useless widgets?
- couchand 4y ago
  "my responses in red" assumes a lot about the visual abilities of the reader. I'm sure there's a better way to express this idea.
- mrzool 4y ago
  > People who use screen readers would probably be very supportive of plain text Web sites. I beg to disagree. Plain text doesn't offer any support for embedded metadata, which are vital for screen readers. With just plain text you have no way to tell apart a header, footer or aside from the main content. > Web devs usually do a lot of work to make a Web site accessible. Yes, they do a lot of work. Mostly using semantic HTML and embedding text descriptions in data attributes. This should go without saying: Plain text is less accessible than well written, semantic HTML, not more.
kixiQu 4y ago
> no one is out there advocating for plain text websites. The gemini folks (gemini.circumlunar.space/) basically are, but I think it's a similarly niche / reactionary take.