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It sounds high, but we’ve had plenty of AMD and Intel workstation CPUs with even higher TDPs for a long time. Overclockers have also routinely pushed well past

It sounds high, but we’ve had plenty of AMD and Intel workstation CPUs with even higher TDPs for a long time. Overclockers have also routinely pushed well past that number. 235W is well within the range of what a decent air cooler like the Noctua NH-D15 can handle without excessive fan noise.

JustFinishedBSG 4y ago
Justifying the off-the-shelves TDP of new GPUs/CPUs by saying it's still lower than what overclockers reach is the same as saying a car doing 50L/100KM is completely fine because an M1 Abraham uses 2000L/100KM offroad.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Your comparison is moot as nobody is forcing you to buy the most gas guzzling chips Intel and AMD make as those are exclusively for enthusiasts who want to have the best of the best with no regard for value for money or efficiency. But Intel and AMD also make enough chips with very good efficiency for the average folk who don't need to set benchmark records.
- PragmaticPulp 4y ago
  That's not what I said. I specifically said that AMD and Intel have been shipping CPUs with higher TDPs (stock!) for a long time. Overclockers have been going even further. AMD's Threadripper PRO CPUs come with up to 280W TDPs. It's really not a problem with modern air coolers and not a problem at all for people running liquid coolers. A 253W boost TDP isn't really a big deal any more. There are plenty of smaller CPUs for people who don't want such high overheads. Some of Intel's new parts can be limited to 35W and still outperform a Ryzen 7 5800X: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-13700t-raptor-lake-allegedly-faster-than-5800x-35w https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-13700t-raptor-lake-a... There's a lot of "sky is falling" over these numbers, but it's a non-issue for the enthusiast builds these are targeted at. Nobody is forced to put a 253W CPU into their machine, but it's great that the vendors are making them available for those who want them.
hinkley 4y ago
Wasn’t the top of the line DEC Alpha drawing 200 watts at one point?

JustFinishedBSG 4y ago

Justifying the off-the-shelves TDP of new GPUs/CPUs by saying it's still lower than what overclockers reach is the same as saying a car doing 50L/100KM is completely fine because an M1 Abraham uses 2000L/100KM offroad.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Your comparison is moot as nobody is forcing you to buy the most gas guzzling chips Intel and AMD make as those are exclusively for enthusiasts who want to have the best of the best with no regard for value for money or efficiency. But Intel and AMD also make enough chips with very good efficiency for the average folk who don't need to set benchmark records.
PragmaticPulp 4y ago
That's not what I said. I specifically said that AMD and Intel have been shipping CPUs with higher TDPs (stock!) for a long time. Overclockers have been going even further. AMD's Threadripper PRO CPUs come with up to 280W TDPs. It's really not a problem with modern air coolers and not a problem at all for people running liquid coolers. A 253W boost TDP isn't really a big deal any more. There are plenty of smaller CPUs for people who don't want such high overheads. Some of Intel's new parts can be limited to 35W and still outperform a Ryzen 7 5800X: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-13700t-raptor-lake-allegedly-faster-than-5800x-35w https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-13700t-raptor-lake-a... There's a lot of "sky is falling" over these numbers, but it's a non-issue for the enthusiast builds these are targeted at. Nobody is forced to put a 253W CPU into their machine, but it's great that the vendors are making them available for those who want them.

hinkley 4y ago

Wasn’t the top of the line DEC Alpha drawing 200 watts at one point?