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Would it change your perception if you look at overeating as a symptom rather than a cause? A common enough symptom for untreated diabetes is eccessive thirst

Would it change your perception if you look at overeating as a symptom rather than a cause? A common enough symptom for untreated diabetes is eccessive thirst. Why should some ailments not cause lack of satiety or edcessive hunger. Or even metabolic issues. Complex ones. Imagine that the basis for the obesity pandemic may in fact lie in other, lack of proper digestive bacteria and yeast for example. I feel that pointing at obesity as just lazyness is just not constructive. I am not obese and have never suffered from it so this is not from a point of self defense. Just a thought.

2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
Regardless of the causes of the caloric intake, managing said intake is still the responsibility of said individual. Unless the chemicals involved block the ability to take dietary decisions, of course, but that's a different discussion. From my point of view as an obese individual: It is the cheeseburgers. And the lack of excersize. And the long days working at a screen with few breaks. Change is hard and bad habits are not easy to get rid of. Especially when you've spent a few decades getting used to them when you were young and unwise.
- acuozzo 4y ago
  > Change is hard and bad habits are not easy to get rid of Which is exactly why no expert in treating addiction suggests using willpower to "cold turkey" as a treatment.
  - 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
    I don't think anyone suggested going cold turkey on food.
    - acuozzo 4y ago
      Your reply is delightfully pedantic.
- seventhtiger 4y ago
  Can heroin addiction be treated with heroin intake management?
  - 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
    Going cold turkey on food would be unhealthy, so some kind of management is required. I didn't grow fat because I have a slow metabolism (and I do), or because I'm addicted to a specific unhealthy type of food; I'm fat because I made a major switch in lifestyles (hard labour to desk job) without any changes to my diet, and because I kept prioritizing other things than my health for decades. After a while it became obvious that change is needed, but boy is it difficult to lose weight once you've had it for 20 years! The solution is managing my diet. Sure, some variables may change (such as chemicals affecting my body), but I still need to keep consuming less calories than I burn in order to do something about the issue.
    - seventhtiger 4y ago
      This nuance you're adding is not optional or dismissable. It's essential complexity to solving the problem. Calorie in calorie out is not false. It's just not useful. Like saying to go to the moon you need to go up. Calorie in is appetite. Calorie out is metabolism. The specifics of how these are affected, and the solutions to fixing them, are a lot more fruitful than reaffirming the second law of thermodynamics.

2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago

Regardless of the causes of the caloric intake, managing said intake is still the responsibility of said individual. Unless the chemicals involved block the ability to take dietary decisions, of course, but that's a different discussion. From my point of view as an obese individual: It is the cheeseburgers. And the lack of excersize. And the long days working at a screen with few breaks. Change is hard and bad habits are not easy to get rid of. Especially when you've spent a few decades getting used to them when you were young and unwise.

acuozzo 4y ago
> Change is hard and bad habits are not easy to get rid of Which is exactly why no expert in treating addiction suggests using willpower to "cold turkey" as a treatment.
- 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
  I don't think anyone suggested going cold turkey on food.
  - acuozzo 4y ago
    Your reply is delightfully pedantic.
seventhtiger 4y ago
Can heroin addiction be treated with heroin intake management?
- 2000UltraDeluxe 4y ago
  Going cold turkey on food would be unhealthy, so some kind of management is required. I didn't grow fat because I have a slow metabolism (and I do), or because I'm addicted to a specific unhealthy type of food; I'm fat because I made a major switch in lifestyles (hard labour to desk job) without any changes to my diet, and because I kept prioritizing other things than my health for decades. After a while it became obvious that change is needed, but boy is it difficult to lose weight once you've had it for 20 years! The solution is managing my diet. Sure, some variables may change (such as chemicals affecting my body), but I still need to keep consuming less calories than I burn in order to do something about the issue.
  - seventhtiger 4y ago
    This nuance you're adding is not optional or dismissable. It's essential complexity to solving the problem. Calorie in calorie out is not false. It's just not useful. Like saying to go to the moon you need to go up. Calorie in is appetite. Calorie out is metabolism. The specifics of how these are affected, and the solutions to fixing them, are a lot more fruitful than reaffirming the second law of thermodynamics.