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Utter rubbish. If you want to send kids to war, do it with your own. Ukraine is neither in NATO, nor the EU. The best course of action is supporting it while i
by Bayart 4y ago
Utter rubbish. If you want to send kids to war, do it with your own.
Ukraine is neither in NATO, nor the EU. The best course of action is supporting it while it frees itself with its own means, which is what is happening.
- Isinlor 4y agoUkraine is not even asking for military intervention. Poland was offering intervention, Ukraine refused. They want weapons. Offensive, long range weapons for counteroffensives. They have plenty of very motivated and capable men. NATO can do that easily. We just adhere to some imaginary list of things that can and can not be delivered. The cost of gas shortages are many times the cost of weapons and weapons make actual, immediate difference for people on the ground.
- cloutchaser 4y agoSo support it with weapons and whatever you want. But don't commit economic suicide in the meantime. Then you won't be able to support ukraine over the long run anyway. Support and sanctions are two seperate things.
- Isinlor 4y agoWe need to get out of gas anyway due to the global warming. We also can't keep being vulnerable to Russian black mail. We need to increase investment in renewable power and build more nuclear power plants.
- cloutchaser 4y agoYes. I agree. How do you do that with 40% less gas in 1 year? You can't, because you will have rioting in the street, you will have people literally freezing to death, and no green politician will ever get elected again. Oh, and btw, what's the answer now to this gas shortage? Burning more coal and firewood. So your proposed vision is doubly going in the wrong direction. This isn't like switching from windows to linux. It takes years, and people actually die in the meantime if you get it wrong.
- Isinlor 4y agoWell, we will have to. Russians already cut us off the gas. That's done. EU leaders have to start behaving like we are in an economical war, because we are.
- bryanlarsen 4y agoIt's not 40% less gas. Europe managed to mostly fill their storage tanks over the summer, and Germany has 6 LNG terminals coming online in December. So it's going to be only 15% less gas. So no riots, no freezing to death.
- Bayart 4y agoWhat economic suicide ? It's not exactly a balanced struggle. It's painful for Europeans, but it's deadly for Russia. You can't bankroll Ukraine's up-scaling and fuel Russia's economy at the same time anyway, it doesn't make sense.