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the problem with this is the same as the problem when police shoot people. when there's only one side left, justice tends not to occur.

bolt7469 4y ago
justice tends not to occur I think you're being a little disingenuous. Most police are shooting people in self-defense (https://www.statista.com/statistics/585140/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-weapon-carried-2016/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585140/people-shot-to-de...). A minority of victims are actually innocent, and justice still does tend to occur in those specific situations. For instance, George Floyd's killer received a (presumably) just punishment.
- adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
  there are several problems with these figures. first of all, the unknown category. this data comes from police departments. if they "don't know", it means the person was unarmed. otherwise they would have said. secondly, the vehicle category includes anyone who was in a car. while a car theoretically can be used as a weapon, that also is a category the police can put anyone they shoot after pulling over because "I was afraid they were doing to drive at me". thirdly, caring a weapon isn't illegal. this chart doesn't break down by whether the person with the weapon was actually threatening the officers with it, just whether there was a weapon on them when they were killed. in the most egregious cases like George Floyd, the police sometimes get charged but it's rare. Floyd's case was exceptional because it room place over 9 minutes in broad daylight with dozens of witnesses and multiple camera angles. there are hundreds of unarmed people killed by the police every year, and the vast majority see no charges.
throwawaylinux 4y ago
I think non-fatal in injuries are significantly higher than fatal injuries. I don't have a source for that for USA at hand but it's certainly true globally by a factor of 15-40 https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/road-traffic-injuries https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/road-traffi... Also, anecdotally, I hear quite a lot about family of deceased in wrongful police shootings suing police. Although I don't think the difficulty that a private citizen has getting justice after being wronged by a police department is really at all the same as most road accident situations.

bolt7469 4y ago

justice tends not to occur I think you're being a little disingenuous. Most police are shooting people in self-defense (https://www.statista.com/statistics/585140/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-weapon-carried-2016/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/585140/people-shot-to-de...). A minority of victims are actually innocent, and justice still does tend to occur in those specific situations. For instance, George Floyd's killer received a (presumably) just punishment.

adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
there are several problems with these figures. first of all, the unknown category. this data comes from police departments. if they "don't know", it means the person was unarmed. otherwise they would have said. secondly, the vehicle category includes anyone who was in a car. while a car theoretically can be used as a weapon, that also is a category the police can put anyone they shoot after pulling over because "I was afraid they were doing to drive at me". thirdly, caring a weapon isn't illegal. this chart doesn't break down by whether the person with the weapon was actually threatening the officers with it, just whether there was a weapon on them when they were killed. in the most egregious cases like George Floyd, the police sometimes get charged but it's rare. Floyd's case was exceptional because it room place over 9 minutes in broad daylight with dozens of witnesses and multiple camera angles. there are hundreds of unarmed people killed by the police every year, and the vast majority see no charges.

throwawaylinux 4y ago

I think non-fatal in injuries are significantly higher than fatal injuries. I don't have a source for that for USA at hand but it's certainly true globally by a factor of 15-40 https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/road-traffic-injuries https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/road-traffi... Also, anecdotally, I hear quite a lot about family of deceased in wrongful police shootings suing police. Although I don't think the difficulty that a private citizen has getting justice after being wronged by a police department is really at all the same as most road accident situations.