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A Suburban vs Suburban is still safer than Kia vs Kia. And what about Kia vs Semi? Or Kia vs delivery truck? Or Kia vs city bus? If we really cared about fata

A Suburban vs Suburban is still safer than Kia vs Kia. And what about Kia vs Semi? Or Kia vs delivery truck? Or Kia vs city bus? If we really cared about fatalities, then banning alcohol should be on the table, statistically speaking. 30% of all traffic deaths involve alcohol.

foxes 4y ago
Alternatively we also all drive at 40km/h or less in cities and urban areas, accidents much less likely to be fatal.
tomjakubowski 4y ago
I haven't been able to find any data by Google or Wikipedia - what portion of traffic deaths were caused by someone else drinking and driving?
toast0 4y ago
Banning alcohol may be a good idea, but it seems infeasible. Last time the US tried it, it didn't go well.
- seer-zig 4y ago
  The way the US went about it is just one data point. In Islam, we have successfully minimized drinking to an extremely large extent.
  - Infinitesimus 4y ago
    That is true. Islam has had many more centuries of practice (and quite a few Muslims drink depending on how strict they are ).
    - seer-zig 4y ago
      Yes, but you can also read about how when the prohibition was revealed, people obeyed without delay. It has been documented that people immediately broke their wine containers and poured them in the streets of Madinah, such that it flowed through them.
- runarberg 4y ago
  The way US goes about banning alcohol on the road is simply not working. There are really hard punishments for driving while drunk, but it is really loosely enforced. So you are very unlikely to be caught, but if you are, your life is gonna suck. There is also hardly any accommodations for people to go out drinking outside of walking distance from you home (especially in rural areas; it might actually be safer for you to drive in a protected vehicle then risk being hit by a drunk driver on your bicycle). And to top it off, the police it self is really dangerous, so it is hard for friends or bartenders to justify calling the police on a drunk driver. All this makes a perfect environment for people to rather “risk” drunk driving, which as we know is a disaster. I think banning alcohol is a terrible idea, providing accommodations, better enforcement, friendlier law environment, etc. will go a long way.

foxes 4y ago

Alternatively we also all drive at 40km/h or less in cities and urban areas, accidents much less likely to be fatal.

tomjakubowski 4y ago

I haven't been able to find any data by Google or Wikipedia - what portion of traffic deaths were caused by someone else drinking and driving?

toast0 4y ago

Banning alcohol may be a good idea, but it seems infeasible. Last time the US tried it, it didn't go well.

seer-zig 4y ago
The way the US went about it is just one data point. In Islam, we have successfully minimized drinking to an extremely large extent.
- Infinitesimus 4y ago
  That is true. Islam has had many more centuries of practice (and quite a few Muslims drink depending on how strict they are ).
  - seer-zig 4y ago
    Yes, but you can also read about how when the prohibition was revealed, people obeyed without delay. It has been documented that people immediately broke their wine containers and poured them in the streets of Madinah, such that it flowed through them.
runarberg 4y ago
The way US goes about banning alcohol on the road is simply not working. There are really hard punishments for driving while drunk, but it is really loosely enforced. So you are very unlikely to be caught, but if you are, your life is gonna suck. There is also hardly any accommodations for people to go out drinking outside of walking distance from you home (especially in rural areas; it might actually be safer for you to drive in a protected vehicle then risk being hit by a drunk driver on your bicycle). And to top it off, the police it self is really dangerous, so it is hard for friends or bartenders to justify calling the police on a drunk driver. All this makes a perfect environment for people to rather “risk” drunk driving, which as we know is a disaster. I think banning alcohol is a terrible idea, providing accommodations, better enforcement, friendlier law environment, etc. will go a long way.