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> Automation and chutes are fine but we keep seeing incidents where lack of judgement, planning or basic stick and rudder skills were contributory. The same re

> Automation and chutes are fine but we keep seeing incidents where lack of judgement, planning or basic stick and rudder skills were contributory. The same reason modern high performance singles like the TBM are known as “dentist killers”. The profusion of technology that eliminated those stick and rudder skills has led to a lot of inexperienced pilots getting into situations they shouldn’t ever be in.

boarnoah 4y ago
Interesting, never heard of that reputation being associated with more modern turboprops like TBMs. Definitely have heard of it for older piston prop planes, especially from the early 2000s, which I always understood is partly a mix of factors re: the affordability of GA piston planes, how common it was to fly without IFR training etc... I would imagine with turboprops like the TBMs, quite a few factors filter out their ownership by folks who aren't IFR trained, + the fact jets are as I understand generally inspected with much more rigor on more frequent basis?
MerelyMortal 4y ago
I've only heard the "dentist killers" phrase used in association with V-tail aircraft.
- scrumper 4y ago
  Yeah. When I was learning to fly (early 2000s) I heard “fork-tailed doctor killer” a lot in reference to the Beechcraft Bonanza. Never dentists though, but maybe that was just my flying club’s biases.
- pseingatl 4y ago
  Which the Cirrus is. Is there a reason they selected this design?
  - ramesh31 4y ago
    Which the Cirrus is. Is there a reason they selected this design? Vision Jet is a great airplane with a sound design. But they are akin to the general aviation equivalent of a Ferrari or Lamborghini. Lots of fun and perfectly safe if you know what you’re doing. Disastrous if not. It really just comes down to training. An aircraft with this level of performance would have only been flown by someone with an ATP certificate 20 years ago. Now anyone with money and a PPL + type rating can get into situations they have no ability to correct.

boarnoah 4y ago

Interesting, never heard of that reputation being associated with more modern turboprops like TBMs. Definitely have heard of it for older piston prop planes, especially from the early 2000s, which I always understood is partly a mix of factors re: the affordability of GA piston planes, how common it was to fly without IFR training etc... I would imagine with turboprops like the TBMs, quite a few factors filter out their ownership by folks who aren't IFR trained, + the fact jets are as I understand generally inspected with much more rigor on more frequent basis?

MerelyMortal 4y ago

I've only heard the "dentist killers" phrase used in association with V-tail aircraft.

scrumper 4y ago
Yeah. When I was learning to fly (early 2000s) I heard “fork-tailed doctor killer” a lot in reference to the Beechcraft Bonanza. Never dentists though, but maybe that was just my flying club’s biases.
pseingatl 4y ago
Which the Cirrus is. Is there a reason they selected this design?
- ramesh31 4y ago
  Which the Cirrus is. Is there a reason they selected this design? Vision Jet is a great airplane with a sound design. But they are akin to the general aviation equivalent of a Ferrari or Lamborghini. Lots of fun and perfectly safe if you know what you’re doing. Disastrous if not. It really just comes down to training. An aircraft with this level of performance would have only been flown by someone with an ATP certificate 20 years ago. Now anyone with money and a PPL + type rating can get into situations they have no ability to correct.