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"Jiro Dreams of Sushi" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiro_Dreams_of_Sushi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiro_Dreams_of_Sushi If you're a developer / engineer

"Jiro Dreams of Sushi" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiro_Dreams_of_Sushi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jiro_Dreams_of_Sushi If you're a developer / engineer you'll admire the professionalism. And more importantly value proposition of your work.

giantg2 4y ago
What do you mean by value proposition? I don't remember seeing much that would apply to my work.
- procinct 4y ago
  I would say it’s mostly an attitude around quality that is likely applicable to any sort of craftsmanship.
- pkrotich 4y ago
  The waiting list is like a year long - even with high cost! Most of us would devalue our craft by opening up bigger restaurant or even multiple locations. For me that translated to valuing my craft enough that people are willing to wait for and pay for it at whatever cost I set.
DizzyDoo 4y ago
I think Jiro Dreams of Sushi is a fantastic documentary and recommend it also. I came away with a different impression, in that I certainly don't admire or want to share Jiro's attitude to work, because the perfection-at-all-costs approach looked like it had a pretty devastating fallout on his wife and his two sons. It's a fascinating documentary in that you'll either come away saying "how inspirational!" or "I'm running 100 miles away from that", and that's interesting in itself.
- brtkdotse 4y ago
  I just watched “10 years with Miyazaki” and had the exact same sentiments.
- pkrotich 4y ago
  I agree to with you on the cost of perfectionism - I also didn't care for how women were treated at the restaurant (seating arrangements etc), but like you mentioned it's a fantastic documentary. I think for me, I came out thinking "damn I truly do may be only 25% dedication to my craft".
  - Syntonicles 4y ago
    It was probably a typo, but just in case English is your second language: We tend to use "don't care for" or "didn't care for" in this context. If you say "I didn't care for the way women were treated..", it expresses disapproval. We use "don't/didn't care about" to mean exactly the opposite. "I didn't care about" means that it doesn't matter to you at all.
    - pkrotich 4y ago
      Thanks for the feedback - yes I'm not a native English speaker (I'm trilingual)
      - ethbr0 4y ago
        It's a weird quirk, now that I think about it, as a native English speaker. It's only a change in present / past tense and the preposition, but communicates something completely different. I guess reflecting on something external is always assumed in the past tense (I didn't care for...), while reflecting on ones own opinions (I don't care for...) suggests personal belief. And "for" (external) vs "about" (self) intensifies the above. But there aren't any real logistical or constant rules for why the above is, in English. :(
        pkrotich 4y ago
        I often use past tense because in my tribe (Kalenjin for those interested)- when you do historical commentary you don't interject with your current feelings. You say what you felt then (e.g while watching the documentary) unless you talking about how you feel now vs then. It's very contexual. Rules in English can be confusing [1] ;) [1] - https://youtu.be/kXH3HDE9Czo https://youtu.be/kXH3HDE9Czo
- UmbertoNoEco 4y ago
  you may well be correct but society would be a lot less advanced if not for the works of 'unbalanced' individuals
  - cercatrova 4y ago
    In a way I do agree with you. See Newton, Einstein, MLK, Jobs, Musk, all have (arguably) revolutionary impacts on the world and yet they didn't do much for their family life. It is not commendable, and yet, it does seem to be the case that certain individuals who pursue their work above all else end up with qualitative progress in their fields.
- asiachick 4y ago
  as someone that lived in Japan for over a decade I found it made up. The documentary people could have picked almost any indie sushi restaurant in Japan. I'm not sure what made Jiro special I agree tho it's a good documentary for seeing someone taking their work so seriously and the fallout from it as well as for seeing how much work might go into certain kinds of food prep and therefore making me appreciate it more.
  - pfarrell 4y ago
    I think the Michelin three star rating for the restaurant is why it was picked. A line I remember and found hilarious was that Jiro’s place was the only three star restaurant without its own bathroom.
chrisbolt 4y ago
And after watching that, I would recommend the Documentary Now! episode Juan Likes Rice and Chicken.
- pkrotich 4y ago
  That was an hilarious parody! Thanks
narigon 4y ago
Just finished watching it, it was great. Thanks for the suggestion!
moviewise 4y ago
One documentary that demonstrates finding flow (happiness) in work is Jiro Dreams of Sushi (2011), which is the story of Japanese master chef Jiro Ono, who is a Shokunin, an expert craftsman who strives for perfection and feels great fulfillment and joy from yearning to improve bit by bit. He explains it thusly, "You must dedicate your life to mastering your skill. That’s the secret of success and is the key to being regarded honorably. […] . Even at my age, after decades of work, I don’t think I have achieved perfection. But I feel ecstatic all day. I love making sushi. That’s the spirit of the Shokunin." From: https://moviewise.substack.com/p/going-through-an-existential-crisis https://moviewise.substack.com/p/going-through-an-existentia...
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giantg2 4y ago

What do you mean by value proposition? I don't remember seeing much that would apply to my work.

procinct 4y ago
I would say it’s mostly an attitude around quality that is likely applicable to any sort of craftsmanship.
pkrotich 4y ago
The waiting list is like a year long - even with high cost! Most of us would devalue our craft by opening up bigger restaurant or even multiple locations. For me that translated to valuing my craft enough that people are willing to wait for and pay for it at whatever cost I set.

DizzyDoo 4y ago

I think Jiro Dreams of Sushi is a fantastic documentary and recommend it also. I came away with a different impression, in that I certainly don't admire or want to share Jiro's attitude to work, because the perfection-at-all-costs approach looked like it had a pretty devastating fallout on his wife and his two sons. It's a fascinating documentary in that you'll either come away saying "how inspirational!" or "I'm running 100 miles away from that", and that's interesting in itself.

brtkdotse 4y ago
I just watched “10 years with Miyazaki” and had the exact same sentiments.
pkrotich 4y ago
I agree to with you on the cost of perfectionism - I also didn't care for how women were treated at the restaurant (seating arrangements etc), but like you mentioned it's a fantastic documentary. I think for me, I came out thinking "damn I truly do may be only 25% dedication to my craft".
- Syntonicles 4y ago
  It was probably a typo, but just in case English is your second language: We tend to use "don't care for" or "didn't care for" in this context. If you say "I didn't care for the way women were treated..", it expresses disapproval. We use "don't/didn't care about" to mean exactly the opposite. "I didn't care about" means that it doesn't matter to you at all.
  - pkrotich 4y ago
    Thanks for the feedback - yes I'm not a native English speaker (I'm trilingual)
    - ethbr0 4y ago
      It's a weird quirk, now that I think about it, as a native English speaker. It's only a change in present / past tense and the preposition, but communicates something completely different. I guess reflecting on something external is always assumed in the past tense (I didn't care for...), while reflecting on ones own opinions (I don't care for...) suggests personal belief. And "for" (external) vs "about" (self) intensifies the above. But there aren't any real logistical or constant rules for why the above is, in English. :(
      - pkrotich 4y ago
        I often use past tense because in my tribe (Kalenjin for those interested)- when you do historical commentary you don't interject with your current feelings. You say what you felt then (e.g while watching the documentary) unless you talking about how you feel now vs then. It's very contexual. Rules in English can be confusing [1] ;) [1] - https://youtu.be/kXH3HDE9Czo https://youtu.be/kXH3HDE9Czo
UmbertoNoEco 4y ago
you may well be correct but society would be a lot less advanced if not for the works of 'unbalanced' individuals
- cercatrova 4y ago
  In a way I do agree with you. See Newton, Einstein, MLK, Jobs, Musk, all have (arguably) revolutionary impacts on the world and yet they didn't do much for their family life. It is not commendable, and yet, it does seem to be the case that certain individuals who pursue their work above all else end up with qualitative progress in their fields.
asiachick 4y ago
as someone that lived in Japan for over a decade I found it made up. The documentary people could have picked almost any indie sushi restaurant in Japan. I'm not sure what made Jiro special I agree tho it's a good documentary for seeing someone taking their work so seriously and the fallout from it as well as for seeing how much work might go into certain kinds of food prep and therefore making me appreciate it more.
- pfarrell 4y ago
  I think the Michelin three star rating for the restaurant is why it was picked. A line I remember and found hilarious was that Jiro’s place was the only three star restaurant without its own bathroom.

chrisbolt 4y ago

And after watching that, I would recommend the Documentary Now! episode Juan Likes Rice and Chicken.

pkrotich 4y ago
That was an hilarious parody! Thanks

narigon 4y ago

Just finished watching it, it was great. Thanks for the suggestion!

moviewise 4y ago

One documentary that demonstrates finding flow (happiness) in work is Jiro Dreams of Sushi (2011), which is the story of Japanese master chef Jiro Ono, who is a Shokunin, an expert craftsman who strives for perfection and feels great fulfillment and joy from yearning to improve bit by bit. He explains it thusly, "You must dedicate your life to mastering your skill. That’s the secret of success and is the key to being regarded honorably. […] . Even at my age, after decades of work, I don’t think I have achieved perfection. But I feel ecstatic all day. I love making sushi. That’s the spirit of the Shokunin." From: https://moviewise.substack.com/p/going-through-an-existential-crisis https://moviewise.substack.com/p/going-through-an-existentia...

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