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Fahrenheit 911. It's about a major terrorist attack that happened 21 years ago today. The film maker later said the number 1 question people asked him on the

by BMc2020 4y ago

Fahrenheit 911. It's about a major terrorist attack that happened 21 years ago today. The film maker later said the number 1 question people asked him on the way out was, "How come we never saw any of this on TV?" I saw it in the theater on opening night. It got about 20 seconds of applause at the end.

chitowneats 4y ago
- BMc2020 4y ago
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  - chitowneats 4y ago
    They're just guidelines. Not the Ten Commandments. There's a reason I have made my comments on this subject from a shadow-banned account.
mixmastamyk 4y ago
This one should be great and yes shows a few things we didn’t typically get to see. But it hates its subject so much that it resorts to few lies(aka falsehoods) thrown in for good measure. Disappointing because of that. Read books of Clarke and Tenet for a better account. Blood and Oil is a good non partisan account of the history of oil dependence since WWII. Great for more background.
- BMc2020 4y ago
  What were the lies? Lies of fact please, not opinions. This is a good place to start: https://michaelmoore.com/movies/fahrenheit-911/ https://michaelmoore.com/movies/fahrenheit-911/ click on the facts tab
  - nl 4y ago
    I generally like Michael Moore, but I think there are better documentaries about 9/11. I think George Bush's politics were abhorrent and his war in Iraq was probably the worst US intervention in history in terms of consequences, so I'm far from a defender of Bush. But conflating a documentary about 9/11 with a documentary about Bush's politics makes a worse documentary than doing both separately IMHO.
    - mixmastamyk 4y ago
      Agreed. Bush was only in office eight months or so when it happened. His biggest 9/11 blunder was ignoring security advisors who were sounding vague alarms for several months.

chitowneats 4y ago

BMc2020 4y ago
Hacker News Guidelines In Comments Be kind. Don't be snarky. Have curious conversation; don't cross-examine. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3." Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies, generic tangents, and internet tropes. Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something. Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity. Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that." Please don't pick the most provocative thing in an article or post to complain about in the thread. Find something interesting to respond to instead. Throwaway accounts are ok for sensitive information, but please don't create accounts routinely. HN is a community—users should have an identity that others can relate to. Please don't use uppercase for emphasis. If you want to emphasize a word or phrase, put asterisks around it and it will get italicized. Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, bots, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email hn@ycombinator.com and we'll look at the data. Please don't complain that a submission is inappropriate. If a story is spam or off-topic, flag it. Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead. If you flag, please don't also comment that you did. Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—things like article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting. Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.
- chitowneats 4y ago
  They're just guidelines. Not the Ten Commandments. There's a reason I have made my comments on this subject from a shadow-banned account.

mixmastamyk 4y ago

This one should be great and yes shows a few things we didn’t typically get to see. But it hates its subject so much that it resorts to few lies(aka falsehoods) thrown in for good measure. Disappointing because of that. Read books of Clarke and Tenet for a better account. Blood and Oil is a good non partisan account of the history of oil dependence since WWII. Great for more background.

BMc2020 4y ago
What were the lies? Lies of fact please, not opinions. This is a good place to start: https://michaelmoore.com/movies/fahrenheit-911/ https://michaelmoore.com/movies/fahrenheit-911/ click on the facts tab
- nl 4y ago
  I generally like Michael Moore, but I think there are better documentaries about 9/11. I think George Bush's politics were abhorrent and his war in Iraq was probably the worst US intervention in history in terms of consequences, so I'm far from a defender of Bush. But conflating a documentary about 9/11 with a documentary about Bush's politics makes a worse documentary than doing both separately IMHO.
  - mixmastamyk 4y ago
    Agreed. Bush was only in office eight months or so when it happened. His biggest 9/11 blunder was ignoring security advisors who were sounding vague alarms for several months.