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do you think the USA hasn't done the things you've cited?

by gaucheries 4y ago

gaucheries 4y ago
US operates secret prisons, overthrows governments they don't agree with, and murders innocent people.
- ethanbond 4y ago
  Yes, and? Are you under the impression those other regimes wouldn't be doing those things after they had gained superpower status? Because if they would, then this point isn’t relevant to which is preferable, is it?
  - gaucheries 4y ago
    i was just wondering why the US is a preferable superpower like you said. edit: the > a
- pmarreck 4y ago
  All the other contenders that I'm aware of do these things, except much worse, and then on top of it, hide it much better (because that's possible to do if you're a one-party system) https://reason.com/2014/05/15/be-antigovernment-and-proud/ https://reason.com/2014/05/15/be-antigovernment-and-proud/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide Democratic, capitalist states commit the least democide.
ethanbond 4y ago
Nope can’t remember the last time (1) or (3) happened. The treatment of Natives long ago comes close to (2) but obviously is not ongoing (not to imply the effects aren’t still disastrous). And no, when Americans complain about the US surveillance state they’re either talking about a much different thing than China, or they’re an idiot.
- fdhfdjkfhdkj 4y ago
- drewzero1 4y ago
  Don't forget the concentration camps for Japanese Americans in WWII: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Ameri...
  - ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
    However much of an injustice they were, the US closed its internment camps (via constitutional balances) without the need for coersion by foreign powers. That to me makes them much more forgivable than Jim Crow or Gitmo.
  - llamaimperative 4y ago
    These were not an extermination campaign and so are not really analogous to Indian reservations or Nazi concentration camps. Obviously they were awful!

do you think the USA hasn't done the things you've cited?

gaucheries 4y ago

US operates secret prisons, overthrows governments they don't agree with, and murders innocent people.

ethanbond 4y ago
Yes, and? Are you under the impression those other regimes wouldn't be doing those things after they had gained superpower status? Because if they would, then this point isn’t relevant to which is preferable, is it?
- gaucheries 4y ago
  i was just wondering why the US is a preferable superpower like you said. edit: the > a
pmarreck 4y ago
All the other contenders that I'm aware of do these things, except much worse, and then on top of it, hide it much better (because that's possible to do if you're a one-party system) https://reason.com/2014/05/15/be-antigovernment-and-proud/ https://reason.com/2014/05/15/be-antigovernment-and-proud/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide Democratic, capitalist states commit the least democide.

ethanbond 4y ago

Nope can’t remember the last time (1) or (3) happened. The treatment of Natives long ago comes close to (2) but obviously is not ongoing (not to imply the effects aren’t still disastrous). And no, when Americans complain about the US surveillance state they’re either talking about a much different thing than China, or they’re an idiot.

fdhfdjkfhdkj 4y ago
drewzero1 4y ago
Don't forget the concentration camps for Japanese Americans in WWII: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Ameri...
- ravel-bar-foo 4y ago
  However much of an injustice they were, the US closed its internment camps (via constitutional balances) without the need for coersion by foreign powers. That to me makes them much more forgivable than Jim Crow or Gitmo.
- llamaimperative 4y ago
  These were not an extermination campaign and so are not really analogous to Indian reservations or Nazi concentration camps. Obviously they were awful!