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I'm ashamed at our countrys paltry 14% (Sweden). ISPs don't want to spend money exchanging routers. There's a per-country map here: https://www.google.com/int

I'm ashamed at our countrys paltry 14% (Sweden). ISPs don't want to spend money exchanging routers. There's a per-country map here: https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-...

bouncingbunny 4y ago
I work at a decent-sized ISP in Sweden, and we've been trying to get IPv6 to customers for over 10 years. It's hard. The way the Internet is built (many municipal broadband networks[0]) means there's middle networks that might not support IPv6 (the reason used to be "no interest" and "it's not a priority"). PTS is starting to show some interest[1], we'll see what leads to. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_broadband https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_broadband [1] https://www.pts.se/sv/dokument/rapporter/internet/2022/ipv6-i-sverige---inte-langre-tillrackligt-med-enbart-framjandeatgarder/ https://www.pts.se/sv/dokument/rapporter/internet/2022/ipv6-...
- tmikaeld 4y ago
  That's kind of what I'm hinting at, the municipal entities assigned to handle the installation of fiber started this 20 years ago, which means that even 1Gbit is not the norm, the old 100Mbit connections are. I know a person that works at such a place and they have zero interest in upgrading their routers, because it would only cost money for the labour and equipment.
  - ftth_finland 4y ago
    The flip side is that retail customers aren’t exactly clamoring to pay more for IPv6.
dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
> I'm ashamed Slightly off-topic, but what should you be ashamed by something that is totally independent from you, that you can't control in any way? Personally I'm ashamed only if I do something wrong myself.
- HexDecOctBin 4y ago
  The whole point if nationalism is to have self-governance in order for people to be able to effect their destiny. If modern nationalistic governments are to be seen as distant and impervious, then how is that different from the imperial era? And if the people do have control over their governments, then why should they not feel shame over not exercising that power constructively?
  - dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
    For some reason the modern democracy focused on a set of traits collectively known as left/progressive and right/conservative. In some countries you basically only can choose between the left and the right with no any other option. Statistically, the government formed by any of these parties will do more things not the way you wanted. So unless you have some significant direct democracy mechanisms like Switzerland, you have no control over most issues, not to mention marginal ones such as an internet protocol used in your country.
- noisy_boy 4y ago
  Usually when people say they are ashamed of their country/state/municipality/club etc, they are not mentally flagellating themselves averting gaze from the rest of the world while hoping for the ground to swallow them. It is a manner of speech. Ok, maybe I should exclude clubs...
- kanonieer 4y ago
  Same reason why people are proud of things that are totally outside of their influence: tribalism, nationalism etc.

bouncingbunny 4y ago

I work at a decent-sized ISP in Sweden, and we've been trying to get IPv6 to customers for over 10 years. It's hard. The way the Internet is built (many municipal broadband networks[0]) means there's middle networks that might not support IPv6 (the reason used to be "no interest" and "it's not a priority"). PTS is starting to show some interest[1], we'll see what leads to. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_broadband https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Municipal_broadband [1] https://www.pts.se/sv/dokument/rapporter/internet/2022/ipv6-i-sverige---inte-langre-tillrackligt-med-enbart-framjandeatgarder/ https://www.pts.se/sv/dokument/rapporter/internet/2022/ipv6-...

tmikaeld 4y ago
That's kind of what I'm hinting at, the municipal entities assigned to handle the installation of fiber started this 20 years ago, which means that even 1Gbit is not the norm, the old 100Mbit connections are. I know a person that works at such a place and they have zero interest in upgrading their routers, because it would only cost money for the labour and equipment.
- ftth_finland 4y ago
  The flip side is that retail customers aren’t exactly clamoring to pay more for IPv6.

dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago

> I'm ashamed Slightly off-topic, but what should you be ashamed by something that is totally independent from you, that you can't control in any way? Personally I'm ashamed only if I do something wrong myself.

HexDecOctBin 4y ago
The whole point if nationalism is to have self-governance in order for people to be able to effect their destiny. If modern nationalistic governments are to be seen as distant and impervious, then how is that different from the imperial era? And if the people do have control over their governments, then why should they not feel shame over not exercising that power constructively?
- dvfjsdhgfv 4y ago
  For some reason the modern democracy focused on a set of traits collectively known as left/progressive and right/conservative. In some countries you basically only can choose between the left and the right with no any other option. Statistically, the government formed by any of these parties will do more things not the way you wanted. So unless you have some significant direct democracy mechanisms like Switzerland, you have no control over most issues, not to mention marginal ones such as an internet protocol used in your country.
noisy_boy 4y ago
Usually when people say they are ashamed of their country/state/municipality/club etc, they are not mentally flagellating themselves averting gaze from the rest of the world while hoping for the ground to swallow them. It is a manner of speech. Ok, maybe I should exclude clubs...
kanonieer 4y ago
Same reason why people are proud of things that are totally outside of their influence: tribalism, nationalism etc.