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Flutter is almost certainly the answer you are looking for here. You can see what the developer experience is like here https://docs.flutter.dev/get-started/cod

by mhoad 4y ago

Flutter is almost certainly the answer you are looking for here. You can see what the developer experience is like here https://docs.flutter.dev/get-started/codelab https://docs.flutter.dev/get-started/codelab

rahen 4y ago
OP insisted on _native_ desktop apps, not wrapped web apps. Otherwise Java/Swing would have been a no-brainer.
- account-5 4y ago
  From my current reading of Dart/Flutter[0] the output is not a wrapped webapp. [0] https://dart.dev/tools/dart-compile https://dart.dev/tools/dart-compile
  - rahen 4y ago
    It's not a native desktop app either, it embeds a large JIT and a hello world is around 50 MB.
    - account-5 4y ago
      This might be my lack of knowledge in this area since I'm just reading at the minute but from my reading that's not the case. If you create a standalone app (exe compile option) there is no JIT, just: "A standalone, architecture-specific executable file containing the source code compiled to machine code and a small Dart runtime." that "... handles type checking and garbage collection." Unless that runtime is what you're referring to as a JIT. But since it outputs machine code that is a compiled program, not a JIT. I obviously can't speak to the size as I've not written anything yet, I'm just practing. Quite happy to be corrected if I'm misreading things though.
    - mhoad 4y ago
      You seem to be a bit confused on this topic. Have you actually used Flutter before? What you’re describing isn’t how it works at all.
- kaba0 4y ago
  You can actually compile a Swing app with Graal for a standalone executable nowadays
- mhoad 4y ago
  They are native desktop apps. Not sure where you got any other idea from.
rcarmo 4y ago
No, I don't want any JavaScript in my desktop apps, sorry.
- mhoad 4y ago
  You’re in luck then because there is none. You seem To be thinking of Electron which is something entirely different.

by mhoad 4y ago

rahen 4y ago

OP insisted on _native_ desktop apps, not wrapped web apps. Otherwise Java/Swing would have been a no-brainer.

account-5 4y ago
From my current reading of Dart/Flutter[0] the output is not a wrapped webapp. [0] https://dart.dev/tools/dart-compile https://dart.dev/tools/dart-compile
- rahen 4y ago
  It's not a native desktop app either, it embeds a large JIT and a hello world is around 50 MB.
  - account-5 4y ago
    This might be my lack of knowledge in this area since I'm just reading at the minute but from my reading that's not the case. If you create a standalone app (exe compile option) there is no JIT, just: "A standalone, architecture-specific executable file containing the source code compiled to machine code and a small Dart runtime." that "... handles type checking and garbage collection." Unless that runtime is what you're referring to as a JIT. But since it outputs machine code that is a compiled program, not a JIT. I obviously can't speak to the size as I've not written anything yet, I'm just practing. Quite happy to be corrected if I'm misreading things though.
  - mhoad 4y ago
    You seem to be a bit confused on this topic. Have you actually used Flutter before? What you’re describing isn’t how it works at all.
kaba0 4y ago
You can actually compile a Swing app with Graal for a standalone executable nowadays
mhoad 4y ago
They are native desktop apps. Not sure where you got any other idea from.

rcarmo 4y ago

No, I don't want any JavaScript in my desktop apps, sorry.

mhoad 4y ago
You’re in luck then because there is none. You seem To be thinking of Electron which is something entirely different.