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Thanks for the lineup! Seems quite the waste that this would change every five years. So removing seems a good option. I didn't like the arg0 magic, so I'm hap

by lolc 4y ago

Thanks for the lineup! Seems quite the waste that this would change every five years. So removing seems a good option. I didn't like the arg0 magic, so I'm happy that is gone. Funny to think I had to be in the right time window to even notice that.

chasil 4y ago
What is your objection to argv[0]? Gzip and its successors have used this technique for decades, and busybox wouldn't exist without it. On Android, take a look at /system/bin, to find this approach still very much used.
- lolc 4y ago
  Hm, I just dislike magic like that. It tends to go wrong in weird ways. If I'd compile it and symlink to it as fgrep-gnu for example. But of course, the wrappers would be even more confusing, executing the system grep, not the compiled grep. So removing the wrappers is fine.
- somat 4y ago
  After A bit of thought it does not bother me. But I can see why it could bother people, the idea that a function changes based on it's name is weird, after all the name is just a symbolic identifier, it should not matter if the name is "search" or "grep" it should do the same thing. But I decided it does not matter, mainly because names are really important, so important that changing the name effectively changes the function, for example if you took the sin() and renamed it destroy_universe() there would be so much uncertainty about both the new name and the lack of the old, that it does not matter that the code is the same, you have to now treat them different, so having code that does different things based on the name is fine.
  - chasil 4y ago
    Android uses toybox, because the license is more permissive. https://landley.net/toybox/about.html https://landley.net/toybox/about.html Here is the output from my phone (notice the applets for egrep and fgrep): 127|:/ $ toybox [ acpi base64 basename blkdiscard blkid blockdev cal cat chattr chcon chgrp chmod chown chroot chrt cksum clear cmp comm cp cpio cut date dd devmem df diff dirname dmesg dos2unix du echo egrep env expand expr fallocate false fgrep file find flock fmt free freeramdisk fsfreeze fsync getconf getenforce getfattr getopt grep groups gunzip gzip head help hostname hwclock i2cdetect i2cdump i2cget i2cset iconv id ifconfig inotifyd insmod install ionice iorenice iotop kill killall ln load_policy log logname losetup ls lsattr lsmod lsof lspci lsusb makedevs md5sum microcom mkdir mkfifo mknod mkswap mktemp modinfo modprobe more mount mountpoint mv nbd-client nc netcat netstat nice nl nohup nproc nsenter od partprobe paste patch pgrep pidof ping ping6 pivot_root pkill pmap printenv printf prlimit ps pwd pwdx readelf readlink realpath renice restorecon rev rfkill rm rmdir rmmod rtcwake runcon sed sendevent seq setenforce setfattr setsid sha1sum sha224sum sha256sum sha384sum sha512sum sleep sort split stat strings stty swapoff swapon sync sysctl tac tail tar taskset tee test time timeout top touch tr traceroute traceroute6 true truncate tty tunctl ulimit umount uname uniq unix2dos unlink unshare uptime usleep uudecode uuencode uuidgen vconfig vi vmstat watch wc which whoami xargs xxd yes zcat

by lolc 4y ago

chasil 4y ago

What is your objection to argv[0]? Gzip and its successors have used this technique for decades, and busybox wouldn't exist without it. On Android, take a look at /system/bin, to find this approach still very much used.

lolc 4y ago
Hm, I just dislike magic like that. It tends to go wrong in weird ways. If I'd compile it and symlink to it as fgrep-gnu for example. But of course, the wrappers would be even more confusing, executing the system grep, not the compiled grep. So removing the wrappers is fine.
somat 4y ago
After A bit of thought it does not bother me. But I can see why it could bother people, the idea that a function changes based on it's name is weird, after all the name is just a symbolic identifier, it should not matter if the name is "search" or "grep" it should do the same thing. But I decided it does not matter, mainly because names are really important, so important that changing the name effectively changes the function, for example if you took the sin() and renamed it destroy_universe() there would be so much uncertainty about both the new name and the lack of the old, that it does not matter that the code is the same, you have to now treat them different, so having code that does different things based on the name is fine.
- chasil 4y ago
  Android uses toybox, because the license is more permissive. https://landley.net/toybox/about.html https://landley.net/toybox/about.html Here is the output from my phone (notice the applets for egrep and fgrep): 127|:/ $ toybox [ acpi base64 basename blkdiscard blkid blockdev cal cat chattr chcon chgrp chmod chown chroot chrt cksum clear cmp comm cp cpio cut date dd devmem df diff dirname dmesg dos2unix du echo egrep env expand expr fallocate false fgrep file find flock fmt free freeramdisk fsfreeze fsync getconf getenforce getfattr getopt grep groups gunzip gzip head help hostname hwclock i2cdetect i2cdump i2cget i2cset iconv id ifconfig inotifyd insmod install ionice iorenice iotop kill killall ln load_policy log logname losetup ls lsattr lsmod lsof lspci lsusb makedevs md5sum microcom mkdir mkfifo mknod mkswap mktemp modinfo modprobe more mount mountpoint mv nbd-client nc netcat netstat nice nl nohup nproc nsenter od partprobe paste patch pgrep pidof ping ping6 pivot_root pkill pmap printenv printf prlimit ps pwd pwdx readelf readlink realpath renice restorecon rev rfkill rm rmdir rmmod rtcwake runcon sed sendevent seq setenforce setfattr setsid sha1sum sha224sum sha256sum sha384sum sha512sum sleep sort split stat strings stty swapoff swapon sync sysctl tac tail tar taskset tee test time timeout top touch tr traceroute traceroute6 true truncate tty tunctl ulimit umount uname uniq unix2dos unlink unshare uptime usleep uudecode uuencode uuidgen vconfig vi vmstat watch wc which whoami xargs xxd yes zcat