> Isn't China exploiting the same way? Wasn't USSR exploiting the same way? Neither of those are green, degrowth systems like the one described in the article.

> Isn't China exploiting the same way? Wasn't USSR exploiting the same way? Neither of those are green, degrowth systems like the one described in the article. Sure, you can say no true Scotsman, but it's a fundamentally different framework. >I asked for a metric, not for emotions. Same people were living beyond poverty and dying of hunger 100 years ago. Now a small fraction of those are committing suicide. Do you have a metric for that? Because it's true that a lot of people were lifted out of poverty in the past 100 years. However, three quarters of that happened in China, which is explicitly not Capitalist. [0] To call this a triumph of Capitalism is cynical propaganda. > Did it get drastically better in the last 100 years? Absolutely. It did. But not because of Capitalism, despite it. The one country that made a difference self-defines as Socialist. [0] https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/l...