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I don't understand how this could turn you off. Is it good? Is it useful? Use it. Who cares if some community rep guy is a perfect princess or a bit of an assha

I don't understand how this could turn you off. Is it good? Is it useful? Use it. Who cares if some community rep guy is a perfect princess or a bit of an asshat.

j-pb 4y ago
This sentiment ignores, that programming, like everything, is a social endeavour.
- DangitBobby 4y ago
  You aren't really hanging out with the guy who wrote that tweet when you use zig. And it seems a bit hasty to extrapolate his behavior to be representative of the entire community, if you think that matters.
klyrs 4y ago
Using a niche language often means interacting with its community. I don't mind if a couple of fans duke it out, but when somebody like Loris resorts to ad hominem attacks, that's pretty telling. Egos are getting in the way, they've lost sight of the goal and now it's just another content-free slapfest. It isn't a good look. If I report a bug in the language, is somebody important going to take it personally and flame me for it?
- ptato 4y ago
  Nobody is going to take a bug report personally because it isn't the same as implying the project is pointless and even morally wrong whenever the opportunity arises.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    I've seen developers take bug reports personally quite a few times in my career, and the behavior Loris exhibited today is a very common precursor.
- anonymoushn 4y ago
  I have found the Zig contributors to be quite reasonable when I have reported bugs and submitted patches.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    Me too! But, communities change, and this is one that I care about, because the language is frikkin awesome.
- kristoff_it 4y ago
  For what it's worth, I only handle GH issues relative to the autodoc system. I can say with confidence that all Zig core contributors are nicer than me, although today this statement does sound less convincing than usual. I acted out, and I'm acknowledging the mistake. If you want to submit a bug report, make sure to follow the template and you will be treated well.
  - klyrs 4y ago
    I appreciate the humility here. For the record, I'm not immediately concerned about the Zig community; my comment above is more of an elaboration on why such behavior can be offputting.
    - kristoff_it 4y ago
      I think your point was fair. I don't intend to bend to every single outraged comment on social media, but my ultimate interest is to experience (and contribute to) the best that computer science has to offer. Humility is a small price to pay for that as otherwise it's impossible to recognize one's own mistakes.

I don't understand how this could turn you off. Is it good? Is it useful? Use it. Who cares if some community rep guy is a perfect princess or a bit of an asshat.

j-pb 4y ago

This sentiment ignores, that programming, like everything, is a social endeavour.

DangitBobby 4y ago
You aren't really hanging out with the guy who wrote that tweet when you use zig. And it seems a bit hasty to extrapolate his behavior to be representative of the entire community, if you think that matters.

klyrs 4y ago

Using a niche language often means interacting with its community. I don't mind if a couple of fans duke it out, but when somebody like Loris resorts to ad hominem attacks, that's pretty telling. Egos are getting in the way, they've lost sight of the goal and now it's just another content-free slapfest. It isn't a good look. If I report a bug in the language, is somebody important going to take it personally and flame me for it?

ptato 4y ago
Nobody is going to take a bug report personally because it isn't the same as implying the project is pointless and even morally wrong whenever the opportunity arises.
- klyrs 4y ago
  I've seen developers take bug reports personally quite a few times in my career, and the behavior Loris exhibited today is a very common precursor.
anonymoushn 4y ago
I have found the Zig contributors to be quite reasonable when I have reported bugs and submitted patches.
- klyrs 4y ago
  Me too! But, communities change, and this is one that I care about, because the language is frikkin awesome.
kristoff_it 4y ago
For what it's worth, I only handle GH issues relative to the autodoc system. I can say with confidence that all Zig core contributors are nicer than me, although today this statement does sound less convincing than usual. I acted out, and I'm acknowledging the mistake. If you want to submit a bug report, make sure to follow the template and you will be treated well.
- klyrs 4y ago
  I appreciate the humility here. For the record, I'm not immediately concerned about the Zig community; my comment above is more of an elaboration on why such behavior can be offputting.
  - kristoff_it 4y ago
    I think your point was fair. I don't intend to bend to every single outraged comment on social media, but my ultimate interest is to experience (and contribute to) the best that computer science has to offer. Humility is a small price to pay for that as otherwise it's impossible to recognize one's own mistakes.