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I found the law that this (Canadian) article is referencing, and the words "gay" or "homosexual" don't even appear in the text. How does this prevent gay and le

I found the law that this (Canadian) article is referencing, and the words "gay" or "homosexual" don't even appear in the text. How does this prevent gay and lesbian teachers from discussing their partners? I see a paragraph that says instruction on sexuality and sexual orientation can't begin before the third grade which seems pretty reasonable. I didn't get that until I was in, I think, fifth grade. https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1557/BillText/er/...

slg 4y ago
>I found the law that this (Canadian) article is referencing, and the words "gay" or "homosexual" don't even appear in the text. You could try search for other words or phrases like sexual orientation? You will find passages like this: >Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards. No one knows what those "state standards" are which creates a chilling effect around all discussions. Does this hypothetical conversation qualify? First Grader: What do you do over Christmas Mrs. Smith? Mrs. Smith: I went to visit my wife's family in Miami. First Grader: But you are a woman, how do you have a wife? Mrs. Smith: Not all women marry men. Some women marry other women.
- remarkEon 4y ago
  Yes that's the paragraph I was referring to, and seems to be the only one that's relevant to what you're saying. No one knows what the state standards are? They're all listed right here on their website[1]. Do you think your hypothetical conversation qualifies as "classroom instruction"? I don't think so. [1] http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=XLVIII#TitleXLVIII http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Displ...
  - ModernMech 4y ago
    You don’t think so, but you and (most importantly) the teachers don’t know for sure. So they are self-censoring to be safe. The uncertainty is what creates a chilling effect. All it takes is some disgruntled parent hearing their kid talking about their teacher’s homosexual spouse to trigger a lawsuit, upending lives and careers.
  - slg 4y ago
    >No one knows what the state standards are? They're all listed right here on their website[1]. Where are they listed on that website? I don't see them. Maybe the standards have been defined in the last few months, but they didn't exist at the time the bill was first proposed.
    - remarkEon 4y ago
      >TITLE XLVIII EARLY LEARNING-20 EDUCATION CODE Are you saying Florida had no education standards before this bill was passed?
      - slg 4y ago
        I'm not looking for their general education standards. I am looking for their education standards specifically on how to teach about "sexual orientation or gender identity" in an "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate" way because that is what the law we are discussing references.
        remarkEon 4y ago
        Florida doesn’t spell out an exact curriculum at the state level for sex Ed, it’s explicitly left to local school districts to do that. All the law in question is saying is that when those rules are developed they still have to abide by those general standards referenced above. Seems like standard legalese and I don’t think it’s much more complicated than that.
        4y ago

slg 4y ago

>I found the law that this (Canadian) article is referencing, and the words "gay" or "homosexual" don't even appear in the text. You could try search for other words or phrases like sexual orientation? You will find passages like this: >Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards. No one knows what those "state standards" are which creates a chilling effect around all discussions. Does this hypothetical conversation qualify? First Grader: What do you do over Christmas Mrs. Smith? Mrs. Smith: I went to visit my wife's family in Miami. First Grader: But you are a woman, how do you have a wife? Mrs. Smith: Not all women marry men. Some women marry other women.

remarkEon 4y ago
Yes that's the paragraph I was referring to, and seems to be the only one that's relevant to what you're saying. No one knows what the state standards are? They're all listed right here on their website[1]. Do you think your hypothetical conversation qualifies as "classroom instruction"? I don't think so. [1] http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Index&Title_Request=XLVIII#TitleXLVIII http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Displ...
- ModernMech 4y ago
  You don’t think so, but you and (most importantly) the teachers don’t know for sure. So they are self-censoring to be safe. The uncertainty is what creates a chilling effect. All it takes is some disgruntled parent hearing their kid talking about their teacher’s homosexual spouse to trigger a lawsuit, upending lives and careers.
- slg 4y ago
  >No one knows what the state standards are? They're all listed right here on their website[1]. Where are they listed on that website? I don't see them. Maybe the standards have been defined in the last few months, but they didn't exist at the time the bill was first proposed.
  - remarkEon 4y ago
    >TITLE XLVIII EARLY LEARNING-20 EDUCATION CODE Are you saying Florida had no education standards before this bill was passed?
    - slg 4y ago
      I'm not looking for their general education standards. I am looking for their education standards specifically on how to teach about "sexual orientation or gender identity" in an "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate" way because that is what the law we are discussing references.
      - remarkEon 4y ago
        Florida doesn’t spell out an exact curriculum at the state level for sex Ed, it’s explicitly left to local school districts to do that. All the law in question is saying is that when those rules are developed they still have to abide by those general standards referenced above. Seems like standard legalese and I don’t think it’s much more complicated than that.
        4y ago