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What if I tried to have a conversation about violent crime that opened that we need to talk about how registered democrats commit dramatically more violent crim
by wikitopian 4y ago
What if I tried to have a conversation about violent crime that opened that we need to talk about how registered democrats commit dramatically more violent crime than registered republicans?
We would end up arguing about everything but the ostensible topic.
- wikitopian 4y agoThe growing failure to speak about science, technology, and policy without politically coding the speech has caused irreparable damage to public science, technology, and policy discussion. Perhaps the most egregious example was the liberal coding of vaccination during the pandemic, with the self-fulfilling prophecy that vaccine skepticism is for the other tribe of people who are bad. You had people with preexisting conditions terrified of making a private medical decision because of the extreme political coding that both sides egged on to hysterical extremes.
- PKop 4y agoIt is a delusion to presume that politics can be avoided, escaped, or isolated. That institutions of power or prestige within society ever can or ever were devoid of politics, that they can exist and operate in a vacuum. This ideological faith clouds judgement, more realism is necessary to navigate these issues.
- wikitopian 4y agoI'll see your realism and raise you one. The belief that science, technology, and environmental policy can transcend partisan politics is necessary for western society to function. If you step over that in your eagerness to apply postmodern analysis, you'll introduce even greater challenges than the ones we're already barely capable of addressing.
- PKop 4y agoThe challenge is not introduced, it is always there to varying degrees. Again, your statement seems to presume you can have political enemies that will ignore the distinction (that they have existential differences) and put it aside. I'm not saying there is no way to address political reality, but that it cannot be ignored or presumed to not exist. At some points the intractable political conflict must be solved first before you can get back to science and technology amongst friends.
- tzs 4y ago> Perhaps the most egregious example was the liberal coding of vaccination during the pandemic What is "liberal coding of vaccination"?
- PKop 4y agoI bet you'd agree crime is drastically higher amongst those not even registered or that don't even vote, almost as if party affiliation is not the most salient variable.
- wikitopian 4y agoMy point still stands that beginning a conversation about science, technology, or policy with your finger squarely aimed at people you don't like will only serve to start an argument with the people you don't like.
- PKop 4y agoOften times groups that don't like each other have existential differences that can never be bridged. Negotiating in good faith with true enemies that aren't interested in compromise never works, except perhaps if there is power, threats or some sort of shared interest associated with the negotiation. I'm only pointing out that explaining your point to people that don't care and hate you and your beliefs will never achieve anything; they won't be persuaded if they don't want to be.
- SllX 4y agoWell we’re talking about our fellow citizens. Are our differences really so extreme as to be existential?
- wyre 4y agoWhen one side is in favor/fantasize of killing trans people, it is existential.
- wikitopian 4y agoSome anonymous trolls gaslighting you online do not grant you a license to hate, dehumanize, and harm everybody who disagrees with your politics.